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> This is equal parts editorializing and [citation needed]. Keep in mind that correlation != causation. If you still trust any citations to social science rese

by baumy 7y ago

> This is equal parts editorializing and [citation needed]. Keep in mind that correlation != causation. If you still trust any citations to social science research in 2019, I have a bridge to sell you. Unfortunately it is my strong belief that for the moment, we're on our own on this one. When discussing climate change, programming language trade-offs, tax policy, etc, give me all the evidence and data. But for this particular area of study, I trust my own observations/life experiences more than any research. I'm sure you and many other HNers will hate that answer, but I stand by it. As to your second point, if shallow and transactional sexual relationships becoming more common does not seem to you like a downside, I doubt we will ever see eye to eye on this. For this particular subset of the issue though, you can google "consequences of extreme sexual liberation" and find any number of articles that describe this position and list the various downsides, most of them more clearly and articulately than I can (and some will also describe the behavioral patterns that could be characterized as "extreme sexual liberation"). I'm unwilling to go into more detail as sharing my opinions on topics less controversial than this has resulted in real life threats more than once. Edit: In case it wasn't clear I just want to explicitly state my position: I am glad that pornography exists, I am glad that it is legal, and I am glad there is a bit of a stigma around it. I hope none of those things change.

caconym_ 7y ago
> I'm sure you and many other HNers will hate that answer, but I stand by it. I don't "hate" it; I just don't think it's worth anything. It's incredibly foolish to think that your own experiences qualify you to make sweeping statements about something as weird and subtle as human sexuality. > As to your second point, if shallow and transactional sexual relationships becoming more common does not seem to you like a downside, I doubt we will ever see eye to eye on this. Probably not. They're not my cup of tea personally, just because I am who I am, but again I don't consider that a basis for making a value judgment. I would love to hear you clearly articulate why you do attach a negative value judgment to this hypothetical increase in casual sex. Maybe you will change my mind—I am a reasonable person. > google "consequences of extreme sexual liberation" and find any number of articles The results of this were laughable. Nothing but more opinion and editorializing (that seems to be a theme here). > I'm unwilling to go into more detail as sharing my opinions on topics less controversial than this has resulted in real life threats more than once. Well, this is the internet and I'm not going to threaten you. If you can't produce a cogent argument, that's on you.
bananocurrency 7y ago
>But for this particular area of study, I trust my own observations/life experiences more than any research. I'm sure you and many other HNers will hate that answer, but I stand by it. Good for you! Don't let facts get in the way of your feelings. >As to your second point, if shallow and transactional sexual relationships becoming more common does not seem to you like a downside, I doubt we will ever see eye to eye on this. You need to provide a downside for this that doesn't involve your hands getting tired of clutching pearls. >I'm unwilling to go into more detail as sharing my opinions on topics less controversial than this has resulted in real life threats more than once. It sounds more like you're unable to go into detail without offending people because you say ignorant shit that people can easily defend with research.

by baumy 7y ago

caconym_ 7y ago

> I'm sure you and many other HNers will hate that answer, but I stand by it. I don't "hate" it; I just don't think it's worth anything. It's incredibly foolish to think that your own experiences qualify you to make sweeping statements about something as weird and subtle as human sexuality. > As to your second point, if shallow and transactional sexual relationships becoming more common does not seem to you like a downside, I doubt we will ever see eye to eye on this. Probably not. They're not my cup of tea personally, just because I am who I am, but again I don't consider that a basis for making a value judgment. I would love to hear you clearly articulate why you do attach a negative value judgment to this hypothetical increase in casual sex. Maybe you will change my mind—I am a reasonable person. > google "consequences of extreme sexual liberation" and find any number of articles The results of this were laughable. Nothing but more opinion and editorializing (that seems to be a theme here). > I'm unwilling to go into more detail as sharing my opinions on topics less controversial than this has resulted in real life threats more than once. Well, this is the internet and I'm not going to threaten you. If you can't produce a cogent argument, that's on you.

bananocurrency 7y ago

>But for this particular area of study, I trust my own observations/life experiences more than any research. I'm sure you and many other HNers will hate that answer, but I stand by it. Good for you! Don't let facts get in the way of your feelings. >As to your second point, if shallow and transactional sexual relationships becoming more common does not seem to you like a downside, I doubt we will ever see eye to eye on this. You need to provide a downside for this that doesn't involve your hands getting tired of clutching pearls. >I'm unwilling to go into more detail as sharing my opinions on topics less controversial than this has resulted in real life threats more than once. It sounds more like you're unable to go into detail without offending people because you say ignorant shit that people can easily defend with research.