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So what? We should ban all advertising, and then nuke corporations who flout the ban or try to find a loophole. And don't tell me advertising is free speech. A

So what? We should ban all advertising, and then nuke corporations who flout the ban or try to find a loophole. And don't tell me advertising is free speech. As far as I'm concerned, corporations are not people and have no rights. Like governments, a corporation's powers are defined by law.

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buboard 7y ago
what about sole proprietors? or professionals? can the government advertise? it is not people either and how do i know you 're not paid for that comment?
- buckminster 7y ago
  Corporations have a huge government-granted advantage - unlimited liability - yet they still claim the privileges of personhood. Simple rule: if you accept unlimited liability you get free speech. If you don't you don't.
  - buboard 7y ago
    i m totally behind the abolishment of the government-corporation cartel complex, but then there would also be nothing to ban. And people would still ask for ads to be banned , which IS a human rights violation.
  - krapp 7y ago
    >Simple rule: if you accept unlimited liability you get free speech. If you don't you don't. I don't recall where in the US Constitution free speech is defined as only being granted in proportion to legal liability. I only recall the part where "Congress shall make no law (...) abridging freedom of speech." I know some on HN hate advertising in all its forms but there's no way around this - you can't make advertising illegal without also essentially making free speech illegal. You can regulate advertising, of course, as you can regulate speech with libel and slander laws, FDA labeling requirements, etc. But you can't ban it outright. And you certainly can't have inalienable, natural rights be contingent upon legal fictions.
- Porthos9K 7y ago
  Bubby, I ain't getting paid nearly enough to hang out here. It's just a bad habit.
krapp 7y ago
>And don't tell me advertising is free speech. Advertising is free speech. >As far as I'm concerned, corporations are not people and have no rights. Well, that's just, like, your opinion. >Like governments, a corporation's powers are defined by law. The law defines corporations as entities with rights, including the right to free speech, and therefore they have an abstract form of personhood for various legal reasons. If corporations had no rights, they would have no right to enter into contracts as a singular entity, nor would they have the right to use, or to be sued as entities.
t-writescode 7y ago
What’s an ad? And, what about corporations that are people? That is, a small business run by one person, like an Etsy shop?

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buboard 7y ago

what about sole proprietors? or professionals? can the government advertise? it is not people either and how do i know you 're not paid for that comment?

buckminster 7y ago
Corporations have a huge government-granted advantage - unlimited liability - yet they still claim the privileges of personhood. Simple rule: if you accept unlimited liability you get free speech. If you don't you don't.
- buboard 7y ago
  i m totally behind the abolishment of the government-corporation cartel complex, but then there would also be nothing to ban. And people would still ask for ads to be banned , which IS a human rights violation.
- krapp 7y ago
  >Simple rule: if you accept unlimited liability you get free speech. If you don't you don't. I don't recall where in the US Constitution free speech is defined as only being granted in proportion to legal liability. I only recall the part where "Congress shall make no law (...) abridging freedom of speech." I know some on HN hate advertising in all its forms but there's no way around this - you can't make advertising illegal without also essentially making free speech illegal. You can regulate advertising, of course, as you can regulate speech with libel and slander laws, FDA labeling requirements, etc. But you can't ban it outright. And you certainly can't have inalienable, natural rights be contingent upon legal fictions.
Porthos9K 7y ago
Bubby, I ain't getting paid nearly enough to hang out here. It's just a bad habit.

krapp 7y ago

>And don't tell me advertising is free speech. Advertising is free speech. >As far as I'm concerned, corporations are not people and have no rights. Well, that's just, like, your opinion. >Like governments, a corporation's powers are defined by law. The law defines corporations as entities with rights, including the right to free speech, and therefore they have an abstract form of personhood for various legal reasons. If corporations had no rights, they would have no right to enter into contracts as a singular entity, nor would they have the right to use, or to be sued as entities.

t-writescode 7y ago

What’s an ad? And, what about corporations that are people? That is, a small business run by one person, like an Etsy shop?