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Curious, in which world has taxation ever been for the benefit of the employee?

by subsaharancoder 7y ago

alistairSH 7y ago
In the world where ex-emoloyees collect unemployment insurance benefits when SuperMegaCorp lays them off.
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the_gastropod 7y ago
Aren't tariffs (import taxes) supposed to benefit employees?
- mamon 7y ago
  Tariffs cause the price of imported goods to rise, which is bad for everyone, except this tiny minority of employees of the respective industry that get to keep their jobs and salaries.
IanCal 7y ago
Taxation is, broadly, spent on citizens and citizens benefit from that. I pay taxes that cover the police as well as the schooling that lowers the chance of people around me having to resort to crime.
- subsaharancoder 7y ago
  In the context of Uber vs NJ, the drivers are already remitting taxes as contractors. The $650M demand from the state isn't a driver initiative with them demanding "Uber needs to pay more taxes.." it's the state saying "What we've collected from drivers isn't enough and we want more from Uber.."
  - throwaway_tech 7y ago
    >"What we've collected from drivers isn't enough and we want more from Uber.." Or its fundamentally correct under the law and Uber has misclassified its drivers as independent contracts whereas they should properly be classified as employees. After all Uber did disclose this was significant risk in their S-1, and further that such a reclassification could be an existential threat to the business. It sounds conspiratorial, but now that they have gone public (and investors have cashed out and dumped the bag) the money that was roadblocking these moves by government (note the article makes it clear NJ has been pursuing these taxes for 4 years) has dried up and governments will begin to act. Its no surprise to anyone in the know, just follow the money (in this case the shorts)
    - throwaway35784 7y ago
      I wonder how many pre-IPO investors are making money on the way down with those shorts. The "sharing economy" is a scam of epic proportions.
  - ivalm 7y ago
    There are a lot of externalities to Uber operations that are currently being paid by the society, the state is simply collecting some compensation from Uber.
  - alistairSH 7y ago
    You are assuming that the Uber drivers are actually paying their unemployment insurance and disability insurance taxes. Chances are they are not doing so, because independent contractors typically don’t pay into those system and are not eligible to receive benefits.
longmarks 7y ago
Health care, roads, education, police, unemployment benifit, child care... where do you think taxes go that DOESNT benifit the employee?
ethbro 7y ago
Only in parts of the world where inequality is high.

Curious, in which world has taxation ever been for the benefit of the employee?

alistairSH 7y ago

In the world where ex-emoloyees collect unemployment insurance benefits when SuperMegaCorp lays them off.

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the_gastropod 7y ago

Aren't tariffs (import taxes) supposed to benefit employees?

mamon 7y ago
Tariffs cause the price of imported goods to rise, which is bad for everyone, except this tiny minority of employees of the respective industry that get to keep their jobs and salaries.

IanCal 7y ago

Taxation is, broadly, spent on citizens and citizens benefit from that. I pay taxes that cover the police as well as the schooling that lowers the chance of people around me having to resort to crime.

subsaharancoder 7y ago
In the context of Uber vs NJ, the drivers are already remitting taxes as contractors. The $650M demand from the state isn't a driver initiative with them demanding "Uber needs to pay more taxes.." it's the state saying "What we've collected from drivers isn't enough and we want more from Uber.."
- throwaway_tech 7y ago
  >"What we've collected from drivers isn't enough and we want more from Uber.." Or its fundamentally correct under the law and Uber has misclassified its drivers as independent contracts whereas they should properly be classified as employees. After all Uber did disclose this was significant risk in their S-1, and further that such a reclassification could be an existential threat to the business. It sounds conspiratorial, but now that they have gone public (and investors have cashed out and dumped the bag) the money that was roadblocking these moves by government (note the article makes it clear NJ has been pursuing these taxes for 4 years) has dried up and governments will begin to act. Its no surprise to anyone in the know, just follow the money (in this case the shorts)
  - throwaway35784 7y ago
    I wonder how many pre-IPO investors are making money on the way down with those shorts. The "sharing economy" is a scam of epic proportions.
- ivalm 7y ago
  There are a lot of externalities to Uber operations that are currently being paid by the society, the state is simply collecting some compensation from Uber.
- alistairSH 7y ago
  You are assuming that the Uber drivers are actually paying their unemployment insurance and disability insurance taxes. Chances are they are not doing so, because independent contractors typically don’t pay into those system and are not eligible to receive benefits.

longmarks 7y ago

Health care, roads, education, police, unemployment benifit, child care... where do you think taxes go that DOESNT benifit the employee?

ethbro 7y ago

Only in parts of the world where inequality is high.