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Personally I think they should pull out nevertheless and make an example out of NJ. That should give enough signals for other lawmakers not to come between cons

Personally I think they should pull out nevertheless and make an example out of NJ. That should give enough signals for other lawmakers not to come between consenting parties.

navigatr 7y ago
There are plenty of competitors in NJ chomping at the bit to eat Uber and Lyft's lunch.
- jdhn 7y ago
  What are these competitors? I go to NJ frequently and haven't heard about any of them.
  - navigatr 7y ago
    They get bought out frequently. Juno is big in the NYC metro area that covers a lot of North Jersey. Curb, Via, and Gett also operate there.
greenyoda 7y ago
> make an example out of NJ If Uber left, it would look more like NJ made an example out of Uber. Other states would see NJ's success in beating down Uber, and might be inspired to tighten their own labor law enforcement. Also, Uber would be leaving behind a very lucrative market in NJ: it's the 11th most populous state, 3rd highest in income,[1] and a large part of its population is in the NYC metro area (high population density, lots of rides to commuter trains, etc.). [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Jersey https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Jersey
deadmetheny 7y ago
"We should just let corporations do whatever they want"
- lend000 7y ago
  I wonder how many people have this opinion just to stick it to "the man" -- seems like most of the anti-Uber HN crowd does not actually drive for Uber, but nonetheless express a passionate hatred for their business model.
  - mtnGoat 7y ago
    why would not working for someone preclude you from having an opinion about that companies questionable business practices? but hey, it's easier to sleep at night when you just dismiss opposing opinions due to their lack of the exact same life experience as you?
  - walshemj 7y ago
    They are avoiding taxes which indirectly increases ours
    - username90 7y ago
      Your comment doesn't make sense, are you saying that all independent contractors are tax avoiders and leech from society? Either the taxes independent contractors pay are fine and Uber paid a fair amount, or we need to raise the rates for all independent contractors.
      - walshemj 7y ago
        They are not independent contractors they are employees its the employer side that is going missing. An in the USA (vs the UK) actually self employed workers get screwed over getting 20% over a FTE i seen as good where in the UK I would go out for 3x my FTE sallery.
      - mamon 7y ago
        Don't know how that works in US, but here in Europe the answer is yes, the main reason people become contractors is because taxes for contractors are lower than for employees, which means more take-home pay for the same cost for the employer.
jacquesm 7y ago
Consenting parties? The asymmetry is such that you can't really speak of consent any more. It's about as consensual as a 15 hour workday was in the 1920's.
vkou 7y ago
Just like how Uber pulled out of Austin, and in their place, a half-dozen firms with similar business models sprung up, to serve that market? Uber's not some irreplaceable God's Gift to Man.

Personally I think they should pull out nevertheless and make an example out of NJ. That should give enough signals for other lawmakers not to come between consenting parties.

navigatr 7y ago

There are plenty of competitors in NJ chomping at the bit to eat Uber and Lyft's lunch.

jdhn 7y ago
What are these competitors? I go to NJ frequently and haven't heard about any of them.
- navigatr 7y ago
  They get bought out frequently. Juno is big in the NYC metro area that covers a lot of North Jersey. Curb, Via, and Gett also operate there.

greenyoda 7y ago

> make an example out of NJ If Uber left, it would look more like NJ made an example out of Uber. Other states would see NJ's success in beating down Uber, and might be inspired to tighten their own labor law enforcement. Also, Uber would be leaving behind a very lucrative market in NJ: it's the 11th most populous state, 3rd highest in income,[1] and a large part of its population is in the NYC metro area (high population density, lots of rides to commuter trains, etc.). [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Jersey https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Jersey

deadmetheny 7y ago

"We should just let corporations do whatever they want"

lend000 7y ago
I wonder how many people have this opinion just to stick it to "the man" -- seems like most of the anti-Uber HN crowd does not actually drive for Uber, but nonetheless express a passionate hatred for their business model.
- mtnGoat 7y ago
  why would not working for someone preclude you from having an opinion about that companies questionable business practices? but hey, it's easier to sleep at night when you just dismiss opposing opinions due to their lack of the exact same life experience as you?
- walshemj 7y ago
  They are avoiding taxes which indirectly increases ours
  - username90 7y ago
    Your comment doesn't make sense, are you saying that all independent contractors are tax avoiders and leech from society? Either the taxes independent contractors pay are fine and Uber paid a fair amount, or we need to raise the rates for all independent contractors.
    - walshemj 7y ago
      They are not independent contractors they are employees its the employer side that is going missing. An in the USA (vs the UK) actually self employed workers get screwed over getting 20% over a FTE i seen as good where in the UK I would go out for 3x my FTE sallery.
    - mamon 7y ago
      Don't know how that works in US, but here in Europe the answer is yes, the main reason people become contractors is because taxes for contractors are lower than for employees, which means more take-home pay for the same cost for the employer.

jacquesm 7y ago

Consenting parties? The asymmetry is such that you can't really speak of consent any more. It's about as consensual as a 15 hour workday was in the 1920's.

vkou 7y ago

Just like how Uber pulled out of Austin, and in their place, a half-dozen firms with similar business models sprung up, to serve that market? Uber's not some irreplaceable God's Gift to Man.