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> The 1password employees must be down voting me. It's ridiculous that I get down voted for a specific opinion about the topic. I was going to just disagree wi

> The 1password employees must be down voting me. It's ridiculous that I get down voted for a specific opinion about the topic. I was going to just disagree with you without downvoting, because I specifically was looking for cross device sync and mobile support (and specifically looked for a mobile app that supported using FIDO as a second factor to protect the vault. However, attributing downvotes to employees/shills shows an inability to consider that there may be a good counter argument.

TimTheTinker 7y ago
I appreciate the subscription model, since it aligns with the fact that secure products must continue to be developed to stay secure. Security is a process, not a destination.
- GordonS 7y ago
  I used to feel very differently about this as a consumer, but when you see things from the other side as an ISV, it's obvious that a one-time fee isn't a sustainable business model - if you want the software to remain available, you need to pay for the duration. A SaaS model works well for both sides, I think - consumers always have the latest version and their data is highly available and safe against local events (storage failure, fire, flood etc); the business has (relatively) reliay income stream.
  - wokkel 7y ago
    The duration of the isv cloud contract you mean. I have ple ty of perfectly running applications where the vendor has long gone. Also, i hate paying for a relatively small feature such as a password manager. Keepass on a webdrive offers the same for free and i get to look at the source as well which in my opinion is a requirement for something zo fundamental.
    - GordonS 7y ago
      > I have ple ty of perfectly running applications where the vendor has long gone Hmm, thinking about it, for simple image editing stuff I still use a version of Paint Shop Pro from something like 10-15 years ago, and it still works great. I think then that it depends on the kind of software, and the expectations of the user: is it beneficial to store data in the cloud for easy access from multiple devices?; do you want security updates? do you want new features?; do you want support? I also use Keepass, with passwords stored on a cheap VPS using SFTP. Works great on Android with Keepass2Android too. But of course, this is not something a general comsumer is going to setup.
      - TimTheTinker 7y ago
        > I think then that it depends on the kind of software I agree completely. I never want to pay more than once for Photoshop/Illustrator/etc. -- and the fact that Adobe has turned those into SaaS products really annoys me. But products like an OS, browser, cloud-synced password manager, mail client, online git hosting, etc. -- for those, I would prefer to pay a subscription fee (to a company I trust to use it well).
jonathankoren 7y ago
Downvotes aren’t a counter argument. All it means is you made someone feel bad for some reason. Social vote counters are just sentiment thermometers. UPDATE: this is now -1 with no comments. I proved my point.
- hk__2 7y ago
  From HN Guidelines: > Please don't comment about the voting on comments. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading.
bernierocks 7y ago
well, I can attribute to anything, if there is no explanation. When I first posted this, I had multiple down votes in the span of a few seconds with barely enough time for someone to read or even process my comments. It just seemed very suspicious.

TimTheTinker 7y ago

I appreciate the subscription model, since it aligns with the fact that secure products must continue to be developed to stay secure. Security is a process, not a destination.

GordonS 7y ago
I used to feel very differently about this as a consumer, but when you see things from the other side as an ISV, it's obvious that a one-time fee isn't a sustainable business model - if you want the software to remain available, you need to pay for the duration. A SaaS model works well for both sides, I think - consumers always have the latest version and their data is highly available and safe against local events (storage failure, fire, flood etc); the business has (relatively) reliay income stream.
- wokkel 7y ago
  The duration of the isv cloud contract you mean. I have ple ty of perfectly running applications where the vendor has long gone. Also, i hate paying for a relatively small feature such as a password manager. Keepass on a webdrive offers the same for free and i get to look at the source as well which in my opinion is a requirement for something zo fundamental.
  - GordonS 7y ago
    > I have ple ty of perfectly running applications where the vendor has long gone Hmm, thinking about it, for simple image editing stuff I still use a version of Paint Shop Pro from something like 10-15 years ago, and it still works great. I think then that it depends on the kind of software, and the expectations of the user: is it beneficial to store data in the cloud for easy access from multiple devices?; do you want security updates? do you want new features?; do you want support? I also use Keepass, with passwords stored on a cheap VPS using SFTP. Works great on Android with Keepass2Android too. But of course, this is not something a general comsumer is going to setup.
    - TimTheTinker 7y ago
      > I think then that it depends on the kind of software I agree completely. I never want to pay more than once for Photoshop/Illustrator/etc. -- and the fact that Adobe has turned those into SaaS products really annoys me. But products like an OS, browser, cloud-synced password manager, mail client, online git hosting, etc. -- for those, I would prefer to pay a subscription fee (to a company I trust to use it well).

jonathankoren 7y ago

Downvotes aren’t a counter argument. All it means is you made someone feel bad for some reason. Social vote counters are just sentiment thermometers. UPDATE: this is now -1 with no comments. I proved my point.

hk__2 7y ago
From HN Guidelines: > Please don't comment about the voting on comments. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading.

bernierocks 7y ago

well, I can attribute to anything, if there is no explanation. When I first posted this, I had multiple down votes in the span of a few seconds with barely enough time for someone to read or even process my comments. It just seemed very suspicious.