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It's cloud-based so they can hold your data hostage and charge a subscription fee. The cloud synced updating features you're talking about work fine for me alr

It's cloud-based so they can hold your data hostage and charge a subscription fee. The cloud synced updating features you're talking about work fine for me already with 1Password's iCloud-backed syncing, which is how most Mac and iOS apps sync data, it's just in that model Apple has control of my data, not 1Password (and I don't pay a subscription fee), so they make it incredibly difficult to configure that way.

ymolodtsov 7y ago
You do realize you’re literally like the person who was saying “who needs Dropbox i can do it myself in 5 bash lines”?
- robenkleene 7y ago
  Wha..? I'm totally not following, iCloud syncing is completely transparent and built-in to 1Password. There's 0 extra work to support it (outside of finding how to turn it on, because it's buried in the UI), there's literally less work than 1Password's own subscription service, because that requires setting up an account whereas iCloud doesn't.
  - hnra 7y ago
    You can use iCloud without an account? Is iCloud available outside of Apple ecosystem? Otherwise it doesn't seem very relevant since its not a general solution.
    - robenkleene 7y ago
      Yes, you're right, this only works for Apple devices, so going cross-ecosystem is definitely a benefit of their subscription service! I disagree on that meaning it's the iCloud solution is irrelevant though, skipping the $36/a year, and the additional control over your data not being on a subscription entails, seem like relevant benefits for the people who fit those requirements!
    - inferiorhuman 7y ago
      Is iCloud available outside of Apple ecosystem? Yes.
gbear605 7y ago
What if you have a device that iCloud isn’t available on? What if you want to check passwords on someone else’s computer? Or on a public one?
- robenkleene 7y ago
  Agreed, those are advantages of the 1Password subscription service. My opinion about 1Password wanting to migrate people to their subscription service for business reasons is based on reading forum threads over the years to figure out where they've buried the option each time there's a new version. E.g., there are two ads for their sync service on the page that describes how to use iCloud[1] (they've toned-down the messaging a ton these days, that support page didn't used exist, and the forum support thread were banging the 1Password Cloud Sync drum much harder than they do today). Note also I'm replying to this comment "It’s cloud-based because the majority of password management users want automatic cross-device updates without setting up their own server." Seems relevant that "cross-device updates" don't require a server (at least among Apple devices)? [1]: https://support.1password.com/sync-with-icloud/ https://support.1password.com/sync-with-icloud/

ymolodtsov 7y ago

You do realize you’re literally like the person who was saying “who needs Dropbox i can do it myself in 5 bash lines”?

robenkleene 7y ago
Wha..? I'm totally not following, iCloud syncing is completely transparent and built-in to 1Password. There's 0 extra work to support it (outside of finding how to turn it on, because it's buried in the UI), there's literally less work than 1Password's own subscription service, because that requires setting up an account whereas iCloud doesn't.
- hnra 7y ago
  You can use iCloud without an account? Is iCloud available outside of Apple ecosystem? Otherwise it doesn't seem very relevant since its not a general solution.
  - robenkleene 7y ago
    Yes, you're right, this only works for Apple devices, so going cross-ecosystem is definitely a benefit of their subscription service! I disagree on that meaning it's the iCloud solution is irrelevant though, skipping the $36/a year, and the additional control over your data not being on a subscription entails, seem like relevant benefits for the people who fit those requirements!
  - inferiorhuman 7y ago
    Is iCloud available outside of Apple ecosystem? Yes.

gbear605 7y ago

What if you have a device that iCloud isn’t available on? What if you want to check passwords on someone else’s computer? Or on a public one?

robenkleene 7y ago
Agreed, those are advantages of the 1Password subscription service. My opinion about 1Password wanting to migrate people to their subscription service for business reasons is based on reading forum threads over the years to figure out where they've buried the option each time there's a new version. E.g., there are two ads for their sync service on the page that describes how to use iCloud[1] (they've toned-down the messaging a ton these days, that support page didn't used exist, and the forum support thread were banging the 1Password Cloud Sync drum much harder than they do today). Note also I'm replying to this comment "It’s cloud-based because the majority of password management users want automatic cross-device updates without setting up their own server." Seems relevant that "cross-device updates" don't require a server (at least among Apple devices)? [1]: https://support.1password.com/sync-with-icloud/ https://support.1password.com/sync-with-icloud/