I have exactly similar experience. At this point I feel Java programmer/developer is misnomer. Most of the time they are 'framework' fiddlers. Be it J2EE, Sprin

I have exactly similar experience. At this point I feel Java programmer/developer is misnomer. Most of the time they are 'framework' fiddlers. Be it J2EE, Spring, Spring Boot (nowadays) Vert.x and so on. When I talk about an http server, the only frame of reference in their mind is Weblogic, Websphere, JBoss, Tomcat etc. The stuff they work with is 80% auto generated and they are quite proud if it. So few application I own have about 200 LOC of business logic and 10K LOC Spring Boot fluff along with some 60 jar files which I am not sure what they really do.