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With respect to async, I'm partial to trio [0], which is a spiritual successor to curio [1]. The model is similar to Golang in many ways, e.g. communication us

by hermod 7y ago

With respect to async, I'm partial to trio [0], which is a spiritual successor to curio [1]. The model is similar to Golang in many ways, e.g. communication using channels [2] and cancellation [3] reminiscent of context.WithTimeout, except that in Golang you need to reify the context passing. The author has written some insightful commentary on designing async runtimes [4] and is actively developing the library, so I'm optimistic about its future. There were plans to use it for requests v3 until the fundraiser fiasco [5]. [0] https://github.com/python-trio/trio https://github.com/python-trio/trio [1] https://vorpus.org/blog/announcing-trio/ https://vorpus.org/blog/announcing-trio/ [2] https://trio.readthedocs.io/en/stable/reference-core.html#using-channels-to-pass-values-between-tasks https://trio.readthedocs.io/en/stable/reference-core.html#us... [3] https://trio.readthedocs.io/en/latest/reference-core.html#cancellation-and-timeouts https://trio.readthedocs.io/en/latest/reference-core.html#ca... [4] https://vorpus.org/blog/notes-on-structured-concurrency-or-go-statement-considered-harmful/ https://vorpus.org/blog/notes-on-structured-concurrency-or-g... [5] https://vorpus.org/blog/why-im-not-collaborating-with-kenneth-reitz/ https://vorpus.org/blog/why-im-not-collaborating-with-kennet...

privateSFacct 7y ago
I was curious about [5] The link to support requests (which is a great piece of software) is here: https://cash.app/$KennethReitz https://cash.app/$KennethReitz Note: This is NOT a charitable donation, it is a gift to an individual. These are not tax deductible under US law. Njs has a long attacking blog post saying this needs to go through PSF (huh?) and that they should be getting most of this money not the person the funds were directed towards (it's not clear how much they've actually contributed to requests over time). This supposedly also may trigger folks who have also suffered from "gaslighting". Supporting the developer of a piece of software does not, as far as I know, require that they sign up to handle it on a charitable basis. A big todo is made about the "large" amount raised. The amounts is 33K. To be frank, this is almost zero in tech land at least in the bay area and requests is a very highly used project. I was literally expecting something like 300K or even $1M - silly kickstarter projects raise for more and deliver nothing. Requests has already delivered a lot of utility. Just a bit of perspective from someone who wasn't familiar with this "fiasco".
- sbierwagen 7y ago
  It's always amazing how adding a little money to the mix makes people lose their minds. NJS was working for free. KR raised some money from large businesses, then told NJS to keep working for free. NJS retroactively discovered that working for free is stupid, and tried demanding all the money NJS raised. This didn't happen, of course, since he had no leverage at all on NJS besides complaining online. The takeaway here appears to be "never work for free". If NJS has worked on his own project, controlled by him alone, this wouldn't have happened. If you donate a bunch of work to an open source project, then... well... the source is open.
  - privateSFacct 7y ago
    Where did KR say he was going to hire NJS or give him any money? NJS is not even on the contributor list for requests I don't think - so of all the people to hire is he even at the top of queue? And is it impossible that KR is doing an order of magnitude more work on the requests projects, with a much longer track records and raised the money directly to himself (and so has to pay taxes potentially on it) such that using it to support his work on requests is unreasonable?
- pmiller2 7y ago
  I wouldn’t say 33k is “almost zero.” For me, a single person living in the Bay Area, $33k would pay all of my expenses for a little over 6 months. When we’re talking about this amount of money going to a single individual, I don’t think it’s fair to call it “almost zero.”
  - bonzini 7y ago
    I suppose you would have to pay taxes on the 33k you get from a crowdfunding platform.
    - privateSFacct 7y ago
      You would - yes, it's considered income and you may get a 1099-K even if no 1099-MISC in many cases. The 1099-K's have caught a fair number of folks not reporting income they otherwise were getting.

by hermod 7y ago

privateSFacct 7y ago

I was curious about [5] The link to support requests (which is a great piece of software) is here: https://cash.app/$KennethReitz https://cash.app/$KennethReitz Note: This is NOT a charitable donation, it is a gift to an individual. These are not tax deductible under US law. Njs has a long attacking blog post saying this needs to go through PSF (huh?) and that they should be getting most of this money not the person the funds were directed towards (it's not clear how much they've actually contributed to requests over time). This supposedly also may trigger folks who have also suffered from "gaslighting". Supporting the developer of a piece of software does not, as far as I know, require that they sign up to handle it on a charitable basis. A big todo is made about the "large" amount raised. The amounts is 33K. To be frank, this is almost zero in tech land at least in the bay area and requests is a very highly used project. I was literally expecting something like 300K or even $1M - silly kickstarter projects raise for more and deliver nothing. Requests has already delivered a lot of utility. Just a bit of perspective from someone who wasn't familiar with this "fiasco".

sbierwagen 7y ago
It's always amazing how adding a little money to the mix makes people lose their minds. NJS was working for free. KR raised some money from large businesses, then told NJS to keep working for free. NJS retroactively discovered that working for free is stupid, and tried demanding all the money NJS raised. This didn't happen, of course, since he had no leverage at all on NJS besides complaining online. The takeaway here appears to be "never work for free". If NJS has worked on his own project, controlled by him alone, this wouldn't have happened. If you donate a bunch of work to an open source project, then... well... the source is open.
- privateSFacct 7y ago
  Where did KR say he was going to hire NJS or give him any money? NJS is not even on the contributor list for requests I don't think - so of all the people to hire is he even at the top of queue? And is it impossible that KR is doing an order of magnitude more work on the requests projects, with a much longer track records and raised the money directly to himself (and so has to pay taxes potentially on it) such that using it to support his work on requests is unreasonable?
pmiller2 7y ago
I wouldn’t say 33k is “almost zero.” For me, a single person living in the Bay Area, $33k would pay all of my expenses for a little over 6 months. When we’re talking about this amount of money going to a single individual, I don’t think it’s fair to call it “almost zero.”
- bonzini 7y ago
  I suppose you would have to pay taxes on the 33k you get from a crowdfunding platform.
  - privateSFacct 7y ago
    You would - yes, it's considered income and you may get a 1099-K even if no 1099-MISC in many cases. The 1099-K's have caught a fair number of folks not reporting income they otherwise were getting.