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> AlphaGo didn't learn the rules of Go. It has no idea what those rules are, it's just been trained through trial and error not to break them. When given a pro

> AlphaGo didn't learn the rules of Go. It has no idea what those rules are, it's just been trained through trial and error not to break them. When given a problem it has never seen before it was able to acquire knowledge of the problem and then apply that knowledge as to solve the problem. Thats the definition of learning and intelligence that can generally be applied to any problem. > I think it's becoming clear that they are merely cognitive tools we bring to bear in the service of our higher level general intelligence machinery. What are you on about? Cognition and intelligence are the same thing if it's capable of cognition or as you put it applying "cognitive tools" then it's capable of intelligence.

simonh 7y ago
>When given a problem it has never seen before it was able to acquire knowledge of the problem and then apply that knowledge as to solve the problem. Thats the definition of learning and intelligence that can generally be applied to any problem. It can't be applied to any problem though. Take the example i gave elsewhere of a game where you provide the rules, and as the game progresses the rules change. There are real games that work like this, generally card games where the cards contain the rules, so as more cards come into play the rules change. Alpha Zero cannot play such games, because there isn't even a way to provide it with the rules. >> I think it's becoming clear that they are merely cognitive tools we bring to bear in the service of our higher level general intelligence machinery. > >What are you on about? Cognition and intelligence are the same thing if it's capable of cognition or as you put it applying "cognitive tools" then it's capable of intelligence. I'm saying that human minds apply many cognitive tools, and that Alphago is like one of those tools. It's not like the part choosing and deploying those tools, which is the really interesting and smart part of the system. The human brain consists of a whole plethora of different cognitive mechanisms. Cognition is a broad term of a huge variety of mechanisms, none of which by themselves constitute all of intelligence. A lot of people look at Alphago and say aha, that's intelligence because it does something we do. Yes, but it only does a tiny, specialist fragment of what we do, and not even one of the most interesting parts.

simonh 7y ago

>When given a problem it has never seen before it was able to acquire knowledge of the problem and then apply that knowledge as to solve the problem. Thats the definition of learning and intelligence that can generally be applied to any problem. It can't be applied to any problem though. Take the example i gave elsewhere of a game where you provide the rules, and as the game progresses the rules change. There are real games that work like this, generally card games where the cards contain the rules, so as more cards come into play the rules change. Alpha Zero cannot play such games, because there isn't even a way to provide it with the rules. >> I think it's becoming clear that they are merely cognitive tools we bring to bear in the service of our higher level general intelligence machinery. > >What are you on about? Cognition and intelligence are the same thing if it's capable of cognition or as you put it applying "cognitive tools" then it's capable of intelligence. I'm saying that human minds apply many cognitive tools, and that Alphago is like one of those tools. It's not like the part choosing and deploying those tools, which is the really interesting and smart part of the system. The human brain consists of a whole plethora of different cognitive mechanisms. Cognition is a broad term of a huge variety of mechanisms, none of which by themselves constitute all of intelligence. A lot of people look at Alphago and say aha, that's intelligence because it does something we do. Yes, but it only does a tiny, specialist fragment of what we do, and not even one of the most interesting parts.