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'Facadism' is also getting popular in germany and I think there are some really nice examples here. If done well, i think it really achieves the best of both wo

'Facadism' is also getting popular in germany and I think there are some really nice examples here. If done well, i think it really achieves the best of both worlds. The buildings fit in and preserve the atmosphere and character of the city while also being modern, livable and built for their real purpose on the inside. There are some examples where it's hard to tell that in fact only the facade survived and the entire back got replaced, others archive a good harmony between the old and the new. I think it's a great idea! But, as always, poor executions can always be found (some examples can be found in the article).

cs02rm0 7y ago
The buildings fit in and preserve the atmosphere and character of the city That's the questionable bit. I don't think they do, it's disjointed and jarring. It has all the hallmarks of design by committee for me - everyone gets their box ticked, but the overall picture is a shocking mess. But then this is all subjective, so I guess you can't please everyone.
- LeanderK 7y ago
  > But then this is all subjective, so I guess you can't please everyone. Of course. To elaborate a bit on my thoughts: many cities have a distinct historical style reflecting the unique development of the city. If we replace every building that's unfit for purpose with an completely new building (i think) we will converge to an indifferent mess, where every city starts to look the same. The globalisation of architectural style, if you will. Preserving the facade means allowing some part of the history to continue and preserve a bit of the character of the neighbourhood. It's all generalised, of course. It doesn't always make sense, it doesn't always look good and it doesn't always preserve something in a meaningful sense. But there are quite a few examples here that I think are nicely done. Some executions are done in a styl where you don't even realise that only the facade is old and everything else got replaced! > I don't think they do, it's disjointed and jarring. This might be one of the things where we just disagree. I often really enjoy the contrast when of old vs new. There are some interesting buildings that playfully combine old structures with new. Not in the article though. But this contrast is not well received by everyone, here's an example that I think does this very well, but others hate it: https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/dbxnyj/new_library_of_the_university_of_graz_austria/ https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/dbxnyj/new_library_...
- mcv 7y ago
  The examples in the article are disjointed and jarring, but there are many buildings that get this approach right so you barely notice it's a new building with an old facade. Obviously the perpetrators of #2 and #4 in the article should never be allowed to design a building ever again.
tannhaeuser 7y ago
Facadism in this sense is nothing new at all. Our entire urban centers were build mostly from industrially produced, ready-made components as neo-classicist, neo-baroque, other historistic and art nouveau facades in front of simple base constructions from 1870-1914, with only a short period of real innovation with expressionist and reform/Bauhaus facades post-war/post-monarchy in 1920-1930. What you describe as athmosphere really always was intended to signal prestige and social status, now and then.

cs02rm0 7y ago

The buildings fit in and preserve the atmosphere and character of the city That's the questionable bit. I don't think they do, it's disjointed and jarring. It has all the hallmarks of design by committee for me - everyone gets their box ticked, but the overall picture is a shocking mess. But then this is all subjective, so I guess you can't please everyone.

LeanderK 7y ago
> But then this is all subjective, so I guess you can't please everyone. Of course. To elaborate a bit on my thoughts: many cities have a distinct historical style reflecting the unique development of the city. If we replace every building that's unfit for purpose with an completely new building (i think) we will converge to an indifferent mess, where every city starts to look the same. The globalisation of architectural style, if you will. Preserving the facade means allowing some part of the history to continue and preserve a bit of the character of the neighbourhood. It's all generalised, of course. It doesn't always make sense, it doesn't always look good and it doesn't always preserve something in a meaningful sense. But there are quite a few examples here that I think are nicely done. Some executions are done in a styl where you don't even realise that only the facade is old and everything else got replaced! > I don't think they do, it's disjointed and jarring. This might be one of the things where we just disagree. I often really enjoy the contrast when of old vs new. There are some interesting buildings that playfully combine old structures with new. Not in the article though. But this contrast is not well received by everyone, here's an example that I think does this very well, but others hate it: https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/dbxnyj/new_library_of_the_university_of_graz_austria/ https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/dbxnyj/new_library_...
mcv 7y ago
The examples in the article are disjointed and jarring, but there are many buildings that get this approach right so you barely notice it's a new building with an old facade. Obviously the perpetrators of #2 and #4 in the article should never be allowed to design a building ever again.

tannhaeuser 7y ago

Facadism in this sense is nothing new at all. Our entire urban centers were build mostly from industrially produced, ready-made components as neo-classicist, neo-baroque, other historistic and art nouveau facades in front of simple base constructions from 1870-1914, with only a short period of real innovation with expressionist and reform/Bauhaus facades post-war/post-monarchy in 1920-1930. What you describe as athmosphere really always was intended to signal prestige and social status, now and then.