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Why do you think she's telling the truth? Have you talked to any mods who think stackoverflow made the right choice, but way too late? I have. They say her beh

Why do you think she's telling the truth? Have you talked to any mods who think stackoverflow made the right choice, but way too late? I have. They say her behavior from start to finish was incredibly rude and explicit in stating her plans to ignore the policy.

gjm11 7y ago
If they say that, in that way, then they are being misleading. Months ago, well before the current Stack Exchange pronoun policy was a thing, she said (yes, explicitly) that she wasn't willing to use singular "they" because it feels so wrong and confusing to her. This wasn't a "plan to ignore the policy" because at that time there was no policy. (It also doesn't appear to have been motivated by sexism, transphobia, etc., although people who say such things sometimes are; she is explicitly willing to use neopronouns -- "xe" and the like -- for people who find that "he" and "she" don't fit them.) Then, much more recently, the upcoming change to the Code of Conduct was announced in the moderators' chatroom. M.C. asked some questions about that, very definitely did not state any plan to ignore the policy, and promptly got de-moderator-ated. It's possible that she isn't telling the truth about what has happened in private, away from the view of other moderators. Maybe she sent an email to SE management saying "I'm not going to abide by this; fire me if you dare" or something. But as far as externally-visible things are concerned, her account of things matches up better with reality than SE's statements do. There are, indeed, moderators who think M.C. should have been canned long ago, but my impression is that there's something close to unanimity that SE should not have canned her the way they did, and that the majority of those with any opinion on the matter think that they shouldn't have canned her at all. (Source: am a moderator on a Stack Exchange site, have read all the relevant transcripts from said chatroom. Note that discussions there are confidential, so the above is about as specific as I am prepared to be about who said what.)
chance_state 7y ago
>Why do you think she's telling the truth? Because she at least offered a very detailed breakdown of events that can be fact-checked, critiqued, etc. StackOverflow has offered basically nothing more than vague PR BS. https://cellio.dreamwidth.org/2019/10/05/stack-overflow-fiasco-timeline.html https://cellio.dreamwidth.org/2019/10/05/stack-overflow-fias...

gjm11 7y ago

If they say that, in that way, then they are being misleading. Months ago, well before the current Stack Exchange pronoun policy was a thing, she said (yes, explicitly) that she wasn't willing to use singular "they" because it feels so wrong and confusing to her. This wasn't a "plan to ignore the policy" because at that time there was no policy. (It also doesn't appear to have been motivated by sexism, transphobia, etc., although people who say such things sometimes are; she is explicitly willing to use neopronouns -- "xe" and the like -- for people who find that "he" and "she" don't fit them.) Then, much more recently, the upcoming change to the Code of Conduct was announced in the moderators' chatroom. M.C. asked some questions about that, very definitely did not state any plan to ignore the policy, and promptly got de-moderator-ated. It's possible that she isn't telling the truth about what has happened in private, away from the view of other moderators. Maybe she sent an email to SE management saying "I'm not going to abide by this; fire me if you dare" or something. But as far as externally-visible things are concerned, her account of things matches up better with reality than SE's statements do. There are, indeed, moderators who think M.C. should have been canned long ago, but my impression is that there's something close to unanimity that SE should not have canned her the way they did, and that the majority of those with any opinion on the matter think that they shouldn't have canned her at all. (Source: am a moderator on a Stack Exchange site, have read all the relevant transcripts from said chatroom. Note that discussions there are confidential, so the above is about as specific as I am prepared to be about who said what.)

chance_state 7y ago

>Why do you think she's telling the truth? Because she at least offered a very detailed breakdown of events that can be fact-checked, critiqued, etc. StackOverflow has offered basically nothing more than vague PR BS. https://cellio.dreamwidth.org/2019/10/05/stack-overflow-fiasco-timeline.html https://cellio.dreamwidth.org/2019/10/05/stack-overflow-fias...