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It's also a really common thing that people do. Like, I buy stuff on Amazon for my parents, friends, and family all the time. Not to mention the common cases

It's also a really common thing that people do. Like, I buy stuff on Amazon for my parents, friends, and family all the time. Not to mention the common cases of shipping to work address, having multiple residence addresses (e.g. students who have a home and a dorm address), shopping while visiting family out-of-state. It's a really common fraud scheme because it's not uncommon for regular people to do that. Otherwise, we would not have a need for a "shipping address" at all: all the purchases could go to the belling address, right? So, basically, you are exactly the kind of bad seller that ruins it for everyone else. Your inability to deal with fraud adds so much more headache to the experience. I hope that, as an independent seller, you have it in bold letters on the front page that you only ship to the billing address. This way, people who you won't ship to anyway won't waste their time (and people who you won't ship to will not be inconvenienced anyway).

kortilla 7y ago
> It's a really common fraud scheme because it's not uncommon for regular people to do that. Lol, no. It’s a common fraud scheme because users of stolen credit cards can’t update the billing address. They would love to be able to use a stolen credit card with an address matching their drop location.
- romwell 7y ago
  I think you misunderstood what I was saying. My point was that if only fraudsters were shipping to non-billing addresses, we wouldn't need to specify two addresses when making a purchase. In itself, shipping to a non-billing address is not a scheme. It's what people do. That's why that is an option to begin with, and that's why all shopping sites support it. If it was uncommon for people to ship to non-billing address, then it would cease being a fraud scheme, because we would be able to use this as a reliable indicator of fraud -- or we'd not have this option to begin with. Therefore, fraudsters do that because it's not uncommon in general.
petre 7y ago
That's also why merchant sites have separate shipping and billing addresses. I bill at home and ship at work as I'm not at home during work hours when the courier arrives. And no, I won't install an Amazon lock to my door. If I can't ship to a different address then maybe the merchant doesn't want my money. Also there are stores that do not ship to my country despite both being in the EU. They ship to New Caledonia (remote colony) or a poorer neighbouring country though. Maybe it has to do with lack of a VAT number and not giving a damn about getting one.

kortilla 7y ago

> It's a really common fraud scheme because it's not uncommon for regular people to do that. Lol, no. It’s a common fraud scheme because users of stolen credit cards can’t update the billing address. They would love to be able to use a stolen credit card with an address matching their drop location.

romwell 7y ago
I think you misunderstood what I was saying. My point was that if only fraudsters were shipping to non-billing addresses, we wouldn't need to specify two addresses when making a purchase. In itself, shipping to a non-billing address is not a scheme. It's what people do. That's why that is an option to begin with, and that's why all shopping sites support it. If it was uncommon for people to ship to non-billing address, then it would cease being a fraud scheme, because we would be able to use this as a reliable indicator of fraud -- or we'd not have this option to begin with. Therefore, fraudsters do that because it's not uncommon in general.

petre 7y ago

That's also why merchant sites have separate shipping and billing addresses. I bill at home and ship at work as I'm not at home during work hours when the courier arrives. And no, I won't install an Amazon lock to my door. If I can't ship to a different address then maybe the merchant doesn't want my money. Also there are stores that do not ship to my country despite both being in the EU. They ship to New Caledonia (remote colony) or a poorer neighbouring country though. Maybe it has to do with lack of a VAT number and not giving a damn about getting one.