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I told my wife that if I ever mention <redacted> while on a phone call, she should know that I am in trouble an unable to speak freely. Sound like we'll all ne

I told my wife that if I ever mention <redacted> while on a phone call, she should know that I am in trouble an unable to speak freely. Sound like we'll all need more things like this eventually :(

elefantastisch 7y ago
It would make sense to have another word that indicates it is genuinely you and you are genuinely speaking freely.
- baroffoos 7y ago
  That would solve the problem of having to find a word that you would never normally use but could slip in to a sentence normally.
- Double_a_92 7y ago
  If you can speak freely you don't need an extra codeword to explain that you are using the codeword in it's real meaning. Unless maybe you suspect that somebody is listening to you and might learn your codeword from that.
  - elefantastisch 7y ago
    The codeword is to make it clear your words should be taken 100% seriously without considering the risk you are being coerced / spoofed with AI. If I agree on a word in advance with someone that no one could possibly guess and insert into an attempt to coerce / spoof my voice, then if there is truly an emergency in which I need this person to wire money to a random account, they will actually do it because they will know my request is genuine. If I'm being coerced, I could have a codeword to indicate that. If I'm being spoofed with AI, I'm not in control of "my" words, so I can't. I need instead to prove when I'm not being spoofed with AI. That's the purpose of this second codeword.
- dredmorbius 7y ago
  If that's the default situation (a likely scenario for most people), you'd need something other than a single code word. In practice, most people can conduct a reasonable verification through a series of challenge/response interactions based on shared knowledge, should they need to do so. Mentioning something done, said, or shared in private recently would suffice in many instances. For more robust tradecraft, should you need it, a set of one-time codes (passwords or passphrases) might substitute. When the former head of InterPol was arrested in China, he managed to alert his wife through the use of a duress signal, an image of a knife: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/wife-missing-interpol-president-said-he-sent-knife-image-danger-n917561 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/wife-missing-interpol-pre... Not subtle, but effective. Spoiler: In the film Capricorn One (1978), one of the astronauts alerted his wife by referring to a holiday they'd recently taken together, by mis-stating the destination as Disneyland, rather than Hollywood -- the land of make believe -- as it had actually been, which led to the revealing of the hoax mission.
r00fus 7y ago
While it's a great idea, how do you test this? Is it worth the time? All my loved ones are on my iCloud so I would just ping their phone/watch while confirming location and asking the assailant to let you hear the phone ping on the line.
- bjelkeman-again 7y ago
  Find My Friend is so unreliable for me it is nearly worthless. Apple isn’t really delivering what I need.
  - hawaiianbrah 7y ago
    Really? How so? I use it probably almost daily and haven’t had an issue, at least I don’t think I have!
    - gt2 7y ago
      I've seen it fail to update the location pretty often.
jiveturkey 7y ago
how do you pronounce the < > symbols? i mean, 'redacted' is already a pretty strange thing to say by itself.
- deleted 7y ago
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- friendlybus 7y ago
  less than redacted greater than, though it's clear he's keeping the real word a secret.
- Double_a_92 7y ago
  <...> is a common way of indicating a placeholder.
- Shorel 7y ago
  You just make static noises, like a radio signal being lost. Also, you are lacking in the abstract thought department. Get that fixed, for your own benefit.
  - throw1234651234 7y ago
    It's either a knowledge gap...or he is hopeless if he knew the symbol but didn't pick up on it. Nothing I know of can improve that.
  - protomolecule 7y ago
    I'd bet jiveturkey was joking.
- seanhunter 7y ago
  They are pronounced "wakka" and "wakka" respectively.
animal531 7y ago
I invented two code phrases for pretty much exactly the same reason, but in case I ever met myself from the future.

I told my wife that if I ever mention <redacted> while on a phone call, she should know that I am in trouble an unable to speak freely. Sound like we'll all need more things like this eventually :(

elefantastisch 7y ago

It would make sense to have another word that indicates it is genuinely you and you are genuinely speaking freely.

baroffoos 7y ago
That would solve the problem of having to find a word that you would never normally use but could slip in to a sentence normally.
Double_a_92 7y ago
If you can speak freely you don't need an extra codeword to explain that you are using the codeword in it's real meaning. Unless maybe you suspect that somebody is listening to you and might learn your codeword from that.
- elefantastisch 7y ago
  The codeword is to make it clear your words should be taken 100% seriously without considering the risk you are being coerced / spoofed with AI. If I agree on a word in advance with someone that no one could possibly guess and insert into an attempt to coerce / spoof my voice, then if there is truly an emergency in which I need this person to wire money to a random account, they will actually do it because they will know my request is genuine. If I'm being coerced, I could have a codeword to indicate that. If I'm being spoofed with AI, I'm not in control of "my" words, so I can't. I need instead to prove when I'm not being spoofed with AI. That's the purpose of this second codeword.
dredmorbius 7y ago
If that's the default situation (a likely scenario for most people), you'd need something other than a single code word. In practice, most people can conduct a reasonable verification through a series of challenge/response interactions based on shared knowledge, should they need to do so. Mentioning something done, said, or shared in private recently would suffice in many instances. For more robust tradecraft, should you need it, a set of one-time codes (passwords or passphrases) might substitute. When the former head of InterPol was arrested in China, he managed to alert his wife through the use of a duress signal, an image of a knife: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/wife-missing-interpol-president-said-he-sent-knife-image-danger-n917561 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/wife-missing-interpol-pre... Not subtle, but effective. Spoiler: In the film Capricorn One (1978), one of the astronauts alerted his wife by referring to a holiday they'd recently taken together, by mis-stating the destination as Disneyland, rather than Hollywood -- the land of make believe -- as it had actually been, which led to the revealing of the hoax mission.

r00fus 7y ago

While it's a great idea, how do you test this? Is it worth the time? All my loved ones are on my iCloud so I would just ping their phone/watch while confirming location and asking the assailant to let you hear the phone ping on the line.

bjelkeman-again 7y ago
Find My Friend is so unreliable for me it is nearly worthless. Apple isn’t really delivering what I need.
- hawaiianbrah 7y ago
  Really? How so? I use it probably almost daily and haven’t had an issue, at least I don’t think I have!
  - gt2 7y ago
    I've seen it fail to update the location pretty often.

jiveturkey 7y ago

how do you pronounce the < > symbols? i mean, 'redacted' is already a pretty strange thing to say by itself.

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friendlybus 7y ago
less than redacted greater than, though it's clear he's keeping the real word a secret.
Double_a_92 7y ago
<...> is a common way of indicating a placeholder.
Shorel 7y ago
You just make static noises, like a radio signal being lost. Also, you are lacking in the abstract thought department. Get that fixed, for your own benefit.
- throw1234651234 7y ago
  It's either a knowledge gap...or he is hopeless if he knew the symbol but didn't pick up on it. Nothing I know of can improve that.
- protomolecule 7y ago
  I'd bet jiveturkey was joking.
seanhunter 7y ago
They are pronounced "wakka" and "wakka" respectively.

animal531 7y ago

I invented two code phrases for pretty much exactly the same reason, but in case I ever met myself from the future.