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The "butterfly mechanism" keyboards never bothered me. I actually like the feel of my MBP's keyboard. Likewise the software Escape key never bothered me. But h

The "butterfly mechanism" keyboards never bothered me. I actually like the feel of my MBP's keyboard. Likewise the software Escape key never bothered me. But honestly, the design of the arrow keys is super important. With the full-height left/right keys it's hard to quickly find the arrow keys by feel. The new (old) arrow key design is honestly what I'm most interested in with this computer after the 16" screen.

wilg 7y ago
How is it hard? They're at the bottom right so you can find them by feel pretty quickly.
- hibbelig 7y ago
  The lady and right keys are easy. But up and down are difficult. With the half height left and right keys it’s easier to find the up and down keys. The down key is between left and right and the up key is an island (or a peninsula at least). Does that make sense? I bought the last half height model when I upgraded my MBP 13”.
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  - wilg 7y ago
    I can find the up and down easily because they are shaped differently. They are the only keys split horizontally, and the connecting edges are curved inward unlike the other keys. I find them easy to feel fore. I am glad the new keyboard solves this problem for others though, I don't think the full-height left/right keys are particularly better.
DoofusOfDeath 7y ago
I hadn't given it much thought until your post, but on my 2017 13" MBP, here's how I seem to do it: 1. Put my right hand in approximately the correct location. 2. With my middle finger, find the space between the up/down keys. 3. Now my right hand's index finger is above the "left" key, and my right hand's ring finger is above the "right" key.
rammy1234 7y ago
exactly. arrows are something that always bothered me in my mac , not butterfly ( to some extent yes ) or not esc.
skohan 7y ago
I am with you as far as the butterfly mechanism (aside from robustness issues), but for me the arrow keys are fine. The bigger issue for me is lack of physical volume controls. I think it's extremely important for any device which produces sound to have a physical mute button. This would be less of an issue if the touch-bar were more reliable, but it often doesn't respond immediately, or else gets frozen and unresponsive, for instance with the volume slider up.
tarsinge 7y ago
I know the subject has been beaten to death but still, as someone who was pleasantly surprised by the butterfly keyboard, I am living a nightmare with my just 2 month old MacBook Pro with keys starting to lose travel and I feel like it’s only a matter of time before bein completely stuck. To the point I’m now afraid to use the keyboard, feeling like everytime I use it without the external keyboard keys become more stuck. I’m so disappointed and was misguided on how the new generation had less problems.

wilg 7y ago

How is it hard? They're at the bottom right so you can find them by feel pretty quickly.

hibbelig 7y ago
The lady and right keys are easy. But up and down are difficult. With the half height left and right keys it’s easier to find the up and down keys. The down key is between left and right and the up key is an island (or a peninsula at least). Does that make sense? I bought the last half height model when I upgraded my MBP 13”.
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- wilg 7y ago
  I can find the up and down easily because they are shaped differently. They are the only keys split horizontally, and the connecting edges are curved inward unlike the other keys. I find them easy to feel fore. I am glad the new keyboard solves this problem for others though, I don't think the full-height left/right keys are particularly better.

DoofusOfDeath 7y ago

I hadn't given it much thought until your post, but on my 2017 13" MBP, here's how I seem to do it: 1. Put my right hand in approximately the correct location. 2. With my middle finger, find the space between the up/down keys. 3. Now my right hand's index finger is above the "left" key, and my right hand's ring finger is above the "right" key.

rammy1234 7y ago

exactly. arrows are something that always bothered me in my mac , not butterfly ( to some extent yes ) or not esc.

skohan 7y ago

I am with you as far as the butterfly mechanism (aside from robustness issues), but for me the arrow keys are fine. The bigger issue for me is lack of physical volume controls. I think it's extremely important for any device which produces sound to have a physical mute button. This would be less of an issue if the touch-bar were more reliable, but it often doesn't respond immediately, or else gets frozen and unresponsive, for instance with the volume slider up.

tarsinge 7y ago

I know the subject has been beaten to death but still, as someone who was pleasantly surprised by the butterfly keyboard, I am living a nightmare with my just 2 month old MacBook Pro with keys starting to lose travel and I feel like it’s only a matter of time before bein completely stuck. To the point I’m now afraid to use the keyboard, feeling like everytime I use it without the external keyboard keys become more stuck. I’m so disappointed and was misguided on how the new generation had less problems.