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Then go and buy one of those laptops. Use what works for you. Just because you’re not a fan of it doesn’t mean it isn’t a solid solution for the rest of us. An

by movedx 7y ago

Then go and buy one of those laptops. Use what works for you. Just because you’re not a fan of it doesn’t mean it isn’t a solid solution for the rest of us. And the rest of us mostly like having change forced on us — it means we’re progressing forward instead of shouting at clouds for being in the way of the sun.

heavyset_go 7y ago
You're repeating the OP's "deal with it" sentiment. I'm sharing how other companies have dealt with it, and offer similar professional tier laptops with more USB ports.
- movedx 7y ago
  Sure. So buy those laptops? I'm not having a go at you directly, I'm having a go at the idea that it's constructive to even point out how a piece of hardware doesn't solve a problem for you and that there are others options. We know.
  - heavyset_go 7y ago
    > I'm having a go at the idea that it's constructive to even point out how a piece of hardware doesn't solve a problem for you I'm going to have to disagree, the lack of USB ports doesn't solve a problem. It's just a limitation that doesn't affect you, but certainly affects other professionals and their ability to do their jobs efficiently.
    - movedx 7y ago
      > ... affects other professionals and their ability to do their jobs efficiently. Those professionals should not pick this tool if it does not solve their problems. I'm confused as to how this isn't clear. You have a choice: a laptop with USB ports and one without. You can buy either or. If you need USB, do not buy the laptop that has no USB ports. Buy the laptop that does have USB ports. The latter solves your problems, the former does not. If the next generation of that laptop does not have USB ports, and you still need them, do not buy that new generation and find another laptop/tool.
      - heavyset_go 7y ago
        > Those professionals should not pick this tool if it does not solve their problems. I'm confused as to how this isn't clear. I'm not sure why you're under the impression that individuals get to choose what computers their employers issue them. Not all of us get to choose the computers we use to do our jobs. I've had several company issued Macbooks, and have worked in Mac-only offices.
        movedx 7y ago
        You can't just change the goal posts to cause your argument to have more weight. This entire post has nothing to do with where you work or work at all: it's to do with a consumer laptop being released and you know right well we're talking about buying this for personal use.
        heavyset_go 7y ago
        The GP of the OP I responded to was talking about his profession and every post I have made in this thread was about professional users and their ability to do their jobs. How you can walk away from this conversation thinking that I was talking about personal use is beyond me.
el_cujo 7y ago
>Just because you’re not a fan of it doesn’t mean it isn’t a solid solution for the rest of us. Leaving out USB-A ports isn't a solution for you though, it's just a limitation that affects some people but not you. >And the rest of us mostly like having change forced on us — it means we’re progressing forward instead of shouting at clouds for being in the way of the sun. This just stinks of fanboyism, any time Apple makes a big hardware change like removing the headphone jack from iPhones, it's mostly negative voices disliking the change. The heat eventually dies down and people adapt, but it's revisionist history to imply people like having the change forced on them at the time.
- movedx 7y ago
  > Leaving out USB-A ports isn't a solution for you USB-C is faster than USB-A. Eventually all technology becomes obsolete and it's time to move on. Removing USB-A and forcing me to switch to USB-C is helping me adopt a technology that is popping up everywhere. I believe modern smart phones now charge via USB-C? A colleague in work also has a power brick that can charge his laptop via USB-C. USB-C is here and we'll only move over to it if we start implementing it. Use an adapter if you're not in a position to swap out A->C for a while. > This just stinks of fanboyism ... And this is just a shallow insult, hence why you've been down voted. > ... like removing the headphone jack from iPhones ... Which other manufacturers immediately did too. > ... but it's revisionist history to imply people like having the change forced on them at the time. The iceberg is melting. The cheese is being moved. It's time to change and for the better. It's easier to be comfortable and complacent, but that's not how reality works. I don't want to research and keep up with the latest in IO technologies. I trust Apple to make good choices for me so I can get on with solving problems. That works out for me in a positive way far more than it impacts me negatively. I'll continue with a (roughly) five year cycle for upgrading my MBP and a two year cycle for my iPhone. And I'll continue to trust that Apple's engineers are smarter than me and are making intelligent choices for me. You're free to not trust them and do as you wish. EDIT: In fact I'm actually finding it annoying how most new devices are USB-C and I don't have USB-C on my 2014 MBP. I want USB-C as power bricks, HDDs, pen drives, and more, are switching over (because it's the right then to do). Very soon I will be obsolete and you'll be telling me I need to move on...

by movedx 7y ago

heavyset_go 7y ago

You're repeating the OP's "deal with it" sentiment. I'm sharing how other companies have dealt with it, and offer similar professional tier laptops with more USB ports.

movedx 7y ago
Sure. So buy those laptops? I'm not having a go at you directly, I'm having a go at the idea that it's constructive to even point out how a piece of hardware doesn't solve a problem for you and that there are others options. We know.
- heavyset_go 7y ago
  > I'm having a go at the idea that it's constructive to even point out how a piece of hardware doesn't solve a problem for you I'm going to have to disagree, the lack of USB ports doesn't solve a problem. It's just a limitation that doesn't affect you, but certainly affects other professionals and their ability to do their jobs efficiently.
  - movedx 7y ago
    > ... affects other professionals and their ability to do their jobs efficiently. Those professionals should not pick this tool if it does not solve their problems. I'm confused as to how this isn't clear. You have a choice: a laptop with USB ports and one without. You can buy either or. If you need USB, do not buy the laptop that has no USB ports. Buy the laptop that does have USB ports. The latter solves your problems, the former does not. If the next generation of that laptop does not have USB ports, and you still need them, do not buy that new generation and find another laptop/tool.
    - heavyset_go 7y ago
      > Those professionals should not pick this tool if it does not solve their problems. I'm confused as to how this isn't clear. I'm not sure why you're under the impression that individuals get to choose what computers their employers issue them. Not all of us get to choose the computers we use to do our jobs. I've had several company issued Macbooks, and have worked in Mac-only offices.
      - movedx 7y ago
        You can't just change the goal posts to cause your argument to have more weight. This entire post has nothing to do with where you work or work at all: it's to do with a consumer laptop being released and you know right well we're talking about buying this for personal use.
        heavyset_go 7y ago
        The GP of the OP I responded to was talking about his profession and every post I have made in this thread was about professional users and their ability to do their jobs. How you can walk away from this conversation thinking that I was talking about personal use is beyond me.

el_cujo 7y ago

>Just because you’re not a fan of it doesn’t mean it isn’t a solid solution for the rest of us. Leaving out USB-A ports isn't a solution for you though, it's just a limitation that affects some people but not you. >And the rest of us mostly like having change forced on us — it means we’re progressing forward instead of shouting at clouds for being in the way of the sun. This just stinks of fanboyism, any time Apple makes a big hardware change like removing the headphone jack from iPhones, it's mostly negative voices disliking the change. The heat eventually dies down and people adapt, but it's revisionist history to imply people like having the change forced on them at the time.

movedx 7y ago
> Leaving out USB-A ports isn't a solution for you USB-C is faster than USB-A. Eventually all technology becomes obsolete and it's time to move on. Removing USB-A and forcing me to switch to USB-C is helping me adopt a technology that is popping up everywhere. I believe modern smart phones now charge via USB-C? A colleague in work also has a power brick that can charge his laptop via USB-C. USB-C is here and we'll only move over to it if we start implementing it. Use an adapter if you're not in a position to swap out A->C for a while. > This just stinks of fanboyism ... And this is just a shallow insult, hence why you've been down voted. > ... like removing the headphone jack from iPhones ... Which other manufacturers immediately did too. > ... but it's revisionist history to imply people like having the change forced on them at the time. The iceberg is melting. The cheese is being moved. It's time to change and for the better. It's easier to be comfortable and complacent, but that's not how reality works. I don't want to research and keep up with the latest in IO technologies. I trust Apple to make good choices for me so I can get on with solving problems. That works out for me in a positive way far more than it impacts me negatively. I'll continue with a (roughly) five year cycle for upgrading my MBP and a two year cycle for my iPhone. And I'll continue to trust that Apple's engineers are smarter than me and are making intelligent choices for me. You're free to not trust them and do as you wish. EDIT: In fact I'm actually finding it annoying how most new devices are USB-C and I don't have USB-C on my 2014 MBP. I want USB-C as power bricks, HDDs, pen drives, and more, are switching over (because it's the right then to do). Very soon I will be obsolete and you'll be telling me I need to move on...