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Let me confirm this, except more so. Will and Reini have effectively been cut out of the main line perl community for repeatedly being assholes to anybody who
by mst 7y ago
Let me confirm this, except more so.
Will and Reini have effectively been cut out of the main line perl community for repeatedly being assholes to anybody who dared to disagree with them about anything (and I mean being assholes by my standards, which I hope at least some readers will recognise as a rather high bar to clear).
When the website was first created there was a ripple across the social media presences of assorted significant perl/cpan people, myself included, decrying it, though it's non trivial to search for because most of us deliberately didn't include the URL to avoid signal boosting its existence any more than strictly necessary.
The general consensus among my fellow cpan authors (including core team members of some of the most widely used projects) is basically a superposition of
1) "Oh for fuck's sake, not them again"
and
2) "The only way this could've been more tone deaf and counter productive is if instead of a 'master plan' they'd called it a 'final solution'"
There's lots of things happening of late that I'm very optimistic about. This shit is basically the Tulsi Gabbard of perl futures. I respect the right of the authors to hold their opinions, but I respect nothing about said opinions and would encourage everybody else not to feed the trolls.
-- mst, deeply unimpressed by this shit
- zzzcpan 7y agoComments like this is what makes people not want to participate in your community. And your peer group is not even the Perl community at large, I doubt anyone but a small minority even cares about what's going on with mainline Perl these days, they are not exposed to any of it.
- mst 7y agoThey've insulted the perl5 maint team. They've insulted the raku developers. They've insulted every cpan author I've ever seen dare to disagree with them. They've insulted Larry, to his face, mid conference talk. ("they" to mean "at least one, possibly both, of the two instigators of this rubbish") Their behaviour has repeatedly and materially damaged participation in the community. I understand that my comment may seem to be coming on a tad strong, but after several years of trying to get them to participate constructively my patience is more than a little frayed. -- mst
- chromatic 7y agoComments like this is what makes people not want to participate in your community. I think that's a mistake; it's important to call out bad actions and bad actors. Another person made an important point elsewhere. If someone had posted a similar manifesto for the Apache Software Foundation -- without doing any community work or collaboration -- then the ASF would respond quickly and definitively.