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This is Apple going all in on pro for this laptop. The display is fantastic all around, 64 GB of ram, 8 GB of DDR6 VRAM, 8 cores, biggest battery FAA will allo

This is Apple going all in on pro for this laptop. The display is fantastic all around, 64 GB of ram, 8 GB of DDR6 VRAM, 8 cores, biggest battery FAA will allow on planes, 8 TB SSD, etc. This will also be able to connect to Apple's upcoming 6K 32-inch display. This is a very impressive update all around and it shows Apple putting a lot of space between their pro laptops and the MBA and iPad Pro now. The lineup is starting to make a lot of sense again.

w-m 7y ago
When people cite the great feat of putting in a 100Wh battery into this laptop they seem to keep forgetting that the 2012-2014 models had a 95Wh battery and the 2015 model had a 99.5Wh battery. Only when flattening the design for the 2016 year did they reduce it to 76Wh.
- Aperocky 7y ago
  And replaced the keyboard with a design that feels like smashing your finger against the desk repeatedly.
- weego 7y ago
  We're hoping undoing mistakes is a good step towards actual progress
  - CiPHPerCoder 7y ago
    As long as consumers are willing to shell out several thousand dollars per iteration of mistake-undoing then it's likely that some day you'll see actual progress.
  - opencl 7y ago
    In the specific case of the battery it's unlikely to get any bigger than 100Wh as that would make it illegal to take on planes in the US.
    - nickflood 7y ago
      Some ruggedized laptops have two separate batteries for hot-swapping while keeping the PC on, and this way you can take a laptop with more than 100 Wh on a plane. The same way I take a 95 Wh laptop with a 75 Wh power bank. So never say never :)
      - Shengbo 7y ago
        I've never had a good experience with swappable batteries.
- hinkley 7y ago
  The dimensions of this laptop are pretty comparable to the 2015 body, but 10% thinner, whereas the 2018 macbook was 14% thinner. Have they fixed the damned keyboard? My early 2019 is still squishy.
  - danaris 7y ago
    The article mentions the new keyboard right in the subheader, multiple times in the first couple paragraphs, and has a whole section devoted to it. TL;DR: Yes, it's a completely new keyboard design, with scissor switches, not butterfly, more key travel, slightly more key separation, more offset for the Touch Bar, and a physical escape key and separate Touch ID sensor.
    - deleted 7y ago
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    - hinkley 7y ago
      You are going to have to put up with people asking about the keyboard for a while. They've been blowing smoke up our asses for two years about how they 'fixed' the old one. 4 revisions in it's... better, but still reminiscent of the sorts of keyboards that nobody would buy after trying. The reaction is going to be, "Yeah, I know they said they fixed the keyboard, but really, did they fix the keyboard?" from quite a lot of people.
- yreg 7y ago
  For the longest time the iPhones were getting thinner and thinner and hn/reddit complained that they really wanted chunkier iPhones with better batteries. Then Apple turned the battleship and since 2014 (iPhone 6) we've gotten a thicker phone with improved battery life in every redesign. I'm pretty happy about this new direction.
ActorNightly 7y ago
Except for the small fact that its starting price is $2300, that buys you absolutely nothing better except for something that looks nice. Mac OS has been declining in quality, and the hardware design still lacks quality. Im willing to put money on the fact that this thing will thermal throttle.
- cmcd 7y ago
  Looks nice and has the specs to back it up, you might can find another laptop with the same specs for $2300 but the build quality, software, and support will be lacking.
  - ActorNightly 7y ago
    Build quality is not that great. Did everyone forget about the Fiasco with the keyboards? Apple messes up hardware design quite a bit. Software is purely personal choice. Some people prefer windows, others mac, others linux. Modern Linux does everything you want, including support for a good portion of popular games through Proton under Steam Apple support is a joke, they will upcharge quite a bit for replacing whole boards when its a matter of a simple repair. Watch any of Louis Rossmanns videos. Not to mention that for any of the other manufacturers, you can order and replace parts yourself with relative ease - all it takes is a screwdriver.
    - samcat116 7y ago
      As someone who's worked on the other main manufacturers...that's simply not true
zbentley 7y ago
> This is Apple going all in on pro "Pro" has basically been sapped of all meaning as a term. Will there be some "pro" users (really: power users, people who run stuff that maxes out this new model's capabilities)? Yep. Will they be a minority, while most users will buy it because of its luxury status, keeping up with the times, or ecosystem familiarity/lock-in? Also yep.

w-m 7y ago

When people cite the great feat of putting in a 100Wh battery into this laptop they seem to keep forgetting that the 2012-2014 models had a 95Wh battery and the 2015 model had a 99.5Wh battery. Only when flattening the design for the 2016 year did they reduce it to 76Wh.

Aperocky 7y ago
And replaced the keyboard with a design that feels like smashing your finger against the desk repeatedly.
weego 7y ago
We're hoping undoing mistakes is a good step towards actual progress
- CiPHPerCoder 7y ago
  As long as consumers are willing to shell out several thousand dollars per iteration of mistake-undoing then it's likely that some day you'll see actual progress.
- opencl 7y ago
  In the specific case of the battery it's unlikely to get any bigger than 100Wh as that would make it illegal to take on planes in the US.
  - nickflood 7y ago
    Some ruggedized laptops have two separate batteries for hot-swapping while keeping the PC on, and this way you can take a laptop with more than 100 Wh on a plane. The same way I take a 95 Wh laptop with a 75 Wh power bank. So never say never :)
    - Shengbo 7y ago
      I've never had a good experience with swappable batteries.
hinkley 7y ago
The dimensions of this laptop are pretty comparable to the 2015 body, but 10% thinner, whereas the 2018 macbook was 14% thinner. Have they fixed the damned keyboard? My early 2019 is still squishy.
- danaris 7y ago
  The article mentions the new keyboard right in the subheader, multiple times in the first couple paragraphs, and has a whole section devoted to it. TL;DR: Yes, it's a completely new keyboard design, with scissor switches, not butterfly, more key travel, slightly more key separation, more offset for the Touch Bar, and a physical escape key and separate Touch ID sensor.
  - deleted 7y ago
    [deleted]
  - hinkley 7y ago
    You are going to have to put up with people asking about the keyboard for a while. They've been blowing smoke up our asses for two years about how they 'fixed' the old one. 4 revisions in it's... better, but still reminiscent of the sorts of keyboards that nobody would buy after trying. The reaction is going to be, "Yeah, I know they said they fixed the keyboard, but really, did they fix the keyboard?" from quite a lot of people.
yreg 7y ago
For the longest time the iPhones were getting thinner and thinner and hn/reddit complained that they really wanted chunkier iPhones with better batteries. Then Apple turned the battleship and since 2014 (iPhone 6) we've gotten a thicker phone with improved battery life in every redesign. I'm pretty happy about this new direction.

ActorNightly 7y ago

Except for the small fact that its starting price is $2300, that buys you absolutely nothing better except for something that looks nice. Mac OS has been declining in quality, and the hardware design still lacks quality. Im willing to put money on the fact that this thing will thermal throttle.

cmcd 7y ago
Looks nice and has the specs to back it up, you might can find another laptop with the same specs for $2300 but the build quality, software, and support will be lacking.
- ActorNightly 7y ago
  Build quality is not that great. Did everyone forget about the Fiasco with the keyboards? Apple messes up hardware design quite a bit. Software is purely personal choice. Some people prefer windows, others mac, others linux. Modern Linux does everything you want, including support for a good portion of popular games through Proton under Steam Apple support is a joke, they will upcharge quite a bit for replacing whole boards when its a matter of a simple repair. Watch any of Louis Rossmanns videos. Not to mention that for any of the other manufacturers, you can order and replace parts yourself with relative ease - all it takes is a screwdriver.
  - samcat116 7y ago
    As someone who's worked on the other main manufacturers...that's simply not true

zbentley 7y ago

> This is Apple going all in on pro "Pro" has basically been sapped of all meaning as a term. Will there be some "pro" users (really: power users, people who run stuff that maxes out this new model's capabilities)? Yep. Will they be a minority, while most users will buy it because of its luxury status, keeping up with the times, or ecosystem familiarity/lock-in? Also yep.