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Matt, I just went through my search history because i remembered a very specific instance of seeing this. Here's the query. http://www.google.com/search?q=nsto

Matt, I just went through my search history because i remembered a very specific instance of seeing this. Here's the query. http://www.google.com/search?q=nstoolbar+bottom+bar&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a http://www.google.com/search?q=nstoolbar+bottom+bar&ie=u... You'll notice that efreedom.com shows on the first page with content taken directly from stackoverflow. While stackoverflow does show in the results, the exact page that efreedom copies does not. Anyway, I'm glad you guys are taking this seriously. For reference here is what I see right now - http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1437645/googlesearchresult.png http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1437645/googlesearchresult.png

Confusion 16y ago
It's strange how these results vary from person to person. When I click that link, I see an eFreedom link (with SO content) at #6 and a different SO link at #7.
Matt_Cutts 16y ago
It looks like we've got SO above efreedom for that query, but it's always nice to find a url that we didn't have that we'd like to be indexed. That lets us check whether we can improve our crawling/indexing. Thanks for the example!
- millerc 16y ago
  If you tell me that sites who chronically scrape content elsewhere get a "pull-down weight" attached to the whole of their content, you've made my day.
  - bergie 16y ago
    That wouldn't be nice. There is a big difference between copying content from Stack Overflow, to running a Planet news aggregator on a community site for your open source project. The first is an ad scam, the second is valuable service to the members of the community.
- chr15 16y ago
  This is why I love Hacker News.
- seanalltogether 16y ago
  Yes SO is above efreedom in this instance, but the SO results are actually worse then the efreedom result based on the query.
  - chaosmachine 16y ago
    This is a situation I've seen many times in the past. Often the right site is on top, but it's showing the wrong result, meanwhile the scraper site surfaces the correct one. It seems like just showing a few more results from the "real" site would solve the problem.
- SafdarIqbal 16y ago
  The _relevant_ SO result http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1097115/bottom-bar-in-nswindow http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1097115/bottom-bar-in-nsw... shows up in the collapsed results below the 2nd SO result!!
AndrewHampton 16y ago
I'm seeing two SO URLs (5 and 6) before efreedom (8th) when I click that link.
- seanalltogether 16y ago
  Yes, but 2 things. 1. The SO results shown don't address the query I submitted as well as the efreedom one does. 2. Why doesn't the stackoverflow article that is being duped show in the results?
  - phillijw 16y ago
    Maybe it's being downgraded because it's being seen as dupe content?
- jfager 16y ago
  The two SO urls that rank above the efreedom url are for different questions. The identical SO link (http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3977343/nstoolbar-on-bottom-of-window http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3977343/nstoolbar-on-bott...) doesn't seem to show up in the results at all. Two SO links on the first page above any efreedom urls is a positive thing, but even so, if content is apparently considered good enough to make it to the first page, it should come from the original source rather than a scraper.
bhavin 16y ago
did you try with &pws=0 (personalized search disable) option with the query? That solved the problem for me. I do not see efreedom on top for this query.
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gregable 16y ago
For [nstoolbar bottom bar] I see (from an incognito window): #2) stackoverflow.com/questions/3977343/nstoolbar-on-bottom-of-window #3) stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/nstoolbar #9) efreedom.com/Question/1-3977343/NSToolbar-Bottom-Window The #9 result is copied from stackoverflow.com/questions/3977343/nstoolbar-on-bottom-of-window, which is the same as the #2 result. This actually is really hard to do as well as Google has given that the stackoverflow page doesn't have the word "bar" on it anywhere, while the efreedom page does. Neither Bing nor DDG seem to have either the StackOverflow page nor the Efreedom page. I would give an uninformed guess that they probably can't match the StackOverflow page because it doesn't contain "bar" and are probably doing some sort of hand demotion/removal for efreedom. As a result, you get no pointers to the information you want instead of two.
- rick_2047 16y ago
  Ironically, now this post ranks at number 1 for the query. World works in a strange way it seems.
- Tiomaidh 16y ago
  For [nstoolbar bottom bar], searched from my logged-in window, a permalink to this comment is the top result. Um...
  - Hovertruck 16y ago
    Clearly by observing the search results, we have changed them.
tejaswiy 16y ago
So HN is in the first spot for this query now. And it redirects to this question. Make of that what you will.
- shazow 16y ago
  Make that first two spots.

Confusion 16y ago

It's strange how these results vary from person to person. When I click that link, I see an eFreedom link (with SO content) at #6 and a different SO link at #7.

Matt_Cutts 16y ago

It looks like we've got SO above efreedom for that query, but it's always nice to find a url that we didn't have that we'd like to be indexed. That lets us check whether we can improve our crawling/indexing. Thanks for the example!

millerc 16y ago
If you tell me that sites who chronically scrape content elsewhere get a "pull-down weight" attached to the whole of their content, you've made my day.
- bergie 16y ago
  That wouldn't be nice. There is a big difference between copying content from Stack Overflow, to running a Planet news aggregator on a community site for your open source project. The first is an ad scam, the second is valuable service to the members of the community.
chr15 16y ago
This is why I love Hacker News.
seanalltogether 16y ago
Yes SO is above efreedom in this instance, but the SO results are actually worse then the efreedom result based on the query.
- chaosmachine 16y ago
  This is a situation I've seen many times in the past. Often the right site is on top, but it's showing the wrong result, meanwhile the scraper site surfaces the correct one. It seems like just showing a few more results from the "real" site would solve the problem.
SafdarIqbal 16y ago
The _relevant_ SO result http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1097115/bottom-bar-in-nswindow http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1097115/bottom-bar-in-nsw... shows up in the collapsed results below the 2nd SO result!!

AndrewHampton 16y ago

I'm seeing two SO URLs (5 and 6) before efreedom (8th) when I click that link.

seanalltogether 16y ago
Yes, but 2 things. 1. The SO results shown don't address the query I submitted as well as the efreedom one does. 2. Why doesn't the stackoverflow article that is being duped show in the results?
- phillijw 16y ago
  Maybe it's being downgraded because it's being seen as dupe content?
jfager 16y ago
The two SO urls that rank above the efreedom url are for different questions. The identical SO link (http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3977343/nstoolbar-on-bottom-of-window http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3977343/nstoolbar-on-bott...) doesn't seem to show up in the results at all. Two SO links on the first page above any efreedom urls is a positive thing, but even so, if content is apparently considered good enough to make it to the first page, it should come from the original source rather than a scraper.

bhavin 16y ago

did you try with &pws=0 (personalized search disable) option with the query? That solved the problem for me. I do not see efreedom on top for this query.

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gregable 16y ago

For [nstoolbar bottom bar] I see (from an incognito window): #2) stackoverflow.com/questions/3977343/nstoolbar-on-bottom-of-window #3) stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/nstoolbar #9) efreedom.com/Question/1-3977343/NSToolbar-Bottom-Window The #9 result is copied from stackoverflow.com/questions/3977343/nstoolbar-on-bottom-of-window, which is the same as the #2 result. This actually is really hard to do as well as Google has given that the stackoverflow page doesn't have the word "bar" on it anywhere, while the efreedom page does. Neither Bing nor DDG seem to have either the StackOverflow page nor the Efreedom page. I would give an uninformed guess that they probably can't match the StackOverflow page because it doesn't contain "bar" and are probably doing some sort of hand demotion/removal for efreedom. As a result, you get no pointers to the information you want instead of two.

rick_2047 16y ago
Ironically, now this post ranks at number 1 for the query. World works in a strange way it seems.
Tiomaidh 16y ago
For [nstoolbar bottom bar], searched from my logged-in window, a permalink to this comment is the top result. Um...
- Hovertruck 16y ago
  Clearly by observing the search results, we have changed them.

tejaswiy 16y ago

So HN is in the first spot for this query now. And it redirects to this question. Make of that what you will.

shazow 16y ago
Make that first two spots.