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> Familiar enough with it to have written a TCP/IP stack. You? I work directly with it on one of the world's busiest destination ASes on a daily basis. > Yep,

> Familiar enough with it to have written a TCP/IP stack. You? I work directly with it on one of the world's busiest destination ASes on a daily basis. > Yep, those would be first to go. Technically those are under the control of the US military anyway, they're on US soil and within 100 miles of an army base. I'm not quite sure what to do with such a glaringly incorrect statement. 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 are anycast-routed ips with multiple servers in places across the globe. Here's a list of the servers that host those ips: 64.233.162.0/24 gru 64.233.168.0/24 iad 66.102.12.0/24 grq 72.14.202.0/24 tpe 72.14.212.0/24 dls 74.125.112.0/24 chs 74.125.114.0/24 chs 74.125.126.0/24 dls 74.125.152.0/24 tpe 74.125.154.0/24 dls 74.125.156.0/24 atl 74.125.158.0/24 atl 74.125.38.0/24 fra 74.125.42.0/24 ber 74.125.44.0/24 atl 74.125.46.0/24 atl 74.125.52.0/24 dls 74.125.64.0/24 atl 74.125.66.0/24 atl 74.125.76.0/24 grq 74.125.78.0/24 grq 74.125.86.0/24 bud 74.125.90.0/24 mrn 74.125.92.0/24 mrn 74.125.94.0/24 cbf 208.117.247.0/24 pao 209.85.142.0/24 dub 209.85.174.0/24 kul 209.85.224.0/24 cbf 209.85.226.0/24 bru 209.85.228.0/24 bru How many of those do you think the US government can shutdown? It would have to find some way to blackhole Google's AS entirely to do so. Do you think that's within its capabilities? > I think you're vastly underestimating the capabilities of the US army...How many sys admins do you know that will take a bullet to keep their router up after being commanded to shut it down? I think you're vastly underestimating the autonomy of individual soldiers in the Army. I know a lot of soldiers--my wife's an active duty O-3--and I don't know a single one who would actually shoot a person for refusing to shut down a router, especially in the context of an attempted government shutdown of the Internet.

jacquesm 16y ago
The US government would not have to shut down the rest of the world, it would just have to shut down it's portion of it. All the resources that matter for that purpose are directly under it's control. > I don't know a single one who would actually shoot a person for refusing to shut down a router, especially in the context of an attempted government shutdown of the Internet. That's called desertion. Would they also refuse to take foreigners hostage and place them in confinement outside of US soil to stop them from having access to the courts? Typically when people with guns show up the options are 'do this or else', where or else can be anything from we'll take you prisoner to we'll put holes in you where they do not belong. And you will end up doing what you're told. Really this is an insane discussion, no ISP would hold out for more than 15 minutes to the moment of shutdown, you can choose it to be an orderly one with a chance of getting stuff back up once the order is lifted to one where stuff will be shut down by major force. Shutdown the power (and the generators) and it's curtains anyway. I understand that you'd like it to be otherwise. Let's hope we'll never find out who was right ;)

jacquesm 16y ago

The US government would not have to shut down the rest of the world, it would just have to shut down it's portion of it. All the resources that matter for that purpose are directly under it's control. > I don't know a single one who would actually shoot a person for refusing to shut down a router, especially in the context of an attempted government shutdown of the Internet. That's called desertion. Would they also refuse to take foreigners hostage and place them in confinement outside of US soil to stop them from having access to the courts? Typically when people with guns show up the options are 'do this or else', where or else can be anything from we'll take you prisoner to we'll put holes in you where they do not belong. And you will end up doing what you're told. Really this is an insane discussion, no ISP would hold out for more than 15 minutes to the moment of shutdown, you can choose it to be an orderly one with a chance of getting stuff back up once the order is lifted to one where stuff will be shut down by major force. Shutdown the power (and the generators) and it's curtains anyway. I understand that you'd like it to be otherwise. Let's hope we'll never find out who was right ;)