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> Inverted-T arrow keys! A millimeter of key travel! Which is still quite poor - Thinkpads offer between 1.3 to 1.9mm of travel depending on the model. It is s
by jeswin 7y ago
> Inverted-T arrow keys! A millimeter of key travel!
Which is still quite poor - Thinkpads offer between 1.3 to 1.9mm of travel depending on the model. It is surprising that a $1Trillion computer hardware company cannot design the best keyboard in the world while tiny Lenovo seems to have done much better.
Why would a "pro" user care more thinness and form than the usability of the primary input mechanism?
Add: It's not merely the travel. Lenovo keyboards are so slightly concave which offer perceivably better support for finger tips. The key surface also has a rougher texture instead of being flat, smooth and glossy, which I hope more manufacturers will emulate.
- jmull 7y agoWell, from someone who's had to rely on his work-issued Thinkpad a lot over the last week... Thinkpad keyboard are complete crap. Those keys can travel all the way into a garbage can for all I care. I have no idea if this new laptop's keyboard is any good, but it would have to take several steps back before you get to lenovo. One arrow key pops on and off as I use it. (This lappy is 4 months old and I've rarely done anything but remote into it so the keyboard should be pristine.) The escape key needs to be pressed extra hard -- beyond the "click" -- to register sometimes. Also, the right-click area on the trackpad expands and contracts mysteriously (best just to turn that off.)
- hombre_fatal 7y agoI like the macbook pro's keyboard out of the box. The low-travel clicking feels ideal to me, for maybe that first week. Of course, my issue is that they have some sort of internal catastrophic process failure if they were able to release a keyboard that fails so consistently. It wasn't just bad design, it was a process that seemingly did zero testing behind some Apple employees typing "hello world" on a ground floor clean room and going "yep, seems good." I look forward to see how the 16" MBP shakes out. I can believe that they redesigned the keys, but not that they fixed a gaping hole in their fundamental processes responsible for a dud keyboard that they had no idea how to fix.
- benologist 7y agoIt wasn't just the design or testing process that was bad, it was how they responded and it's ongoing. The four-year free keyboard replacement program is only temporary and was only put in place after many people paid for the expensive repair while Apple stayed silent then claimed it affected very few people. Now that Apple has alternative hardware what they do next is very important - will they replace the lemons or spend the next decade claiming they're not responsible in court? Will the four year keyboard program be extended or are the 2016 MBPs almost junk already?
- Exuma 7y agoLiterally nothing about Lenovo even holds a candle. Every Lenovo I used is a cringeworthy piece of plastic hot trash that deserves to be in the garbage. Comparing it to MBP quality is absolutely laughable.
- jedieaston 7y agoHave you used the ThinkPad X1, or the old-school X220/T420? Those can hold their own with the retina MacBook Pro (display quality notwithstanding), and I'd take any of them over the current-gen with the butterfly keyboard.
- Exuma 7y agoI have used the ThinkPad X1, it feels like a very cheap toy. Not hating, just saying...