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> that there's no laptop maker that produces high quality laptops with their own custom super nice Linux-based but Mac OS-like OS on it That would be System 76

by IMTDb 7y ago

> that there's no laptop maker that produces high quality laptops with their own custom super nice Linux-based but Mac OS-like OS on it That would be System 76 https://system76.com/laptops/adder https://system76.com/laptops/adder with their pop OS linux distro https://system76.com/pop https://system76.com/pop

kitsunesoba 7y ago
PopOS is great but I think system76 needs to design their laptops from scratch instead of relabeling Clevo laptops if they’re serious about challenging Apple. Their laptops have the specs, but the fit and finish is just not there.
- Finnucane 7y ago
  I have a Clevo laptop (a few years old now) and even at the time, it was not exactly state of the art in terms of weight, battery life, etc. It's proven to be a fairly tough beast (even having fallen off my bike and lived). It is, unlike many new laptops, relatively easy to open up for upgrades and repair. Getting Apple's 'fit and finish' means a closed box.
  - violinist 7y ago
    That's true now, but it doesn't have to be. Before the retina MacBook Pro, the MacBook Pro used to be one of the easiest laptops to service. Opening it up, it was very easy to access almost every component.
    - Finnucane 7y ago
      Those days aren't coming back.
- captn3m0 7y ago
  They are working towards it. Their new server hardware (or mini PC, forget which one) was designed and fabricated in-house.
- miguelr2201 7y ago
  When I was searching for a new laptop, I stumbled upon this comment from a System76 employee that goes into more depth about the work they do on new laptops that seems more than just relabelling Clevo laptops. https://old.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/5umefi/system76_refreshes_ubuntu_linux_laptops_with/ddvcx45/ https://old.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/5umefi/system76_refr... At the end, I went for a Lenovo V330 on sale since I couldn't justify the price of System76 plus shipping outside the US at the time. Disclaimer: I'm not affiliated with System76 in any way and have never owned a System76 laptop.
- mcv 7y ago
  I'm thinking about using PopOS on my Thinkpad X1 Extreme, as it's rumoured to be the only Linux that supports hybrid graphics, and it's specifically designed for developers and other creators (which Macbook Pros once seemed to be). Their hardware, though, seems to be meh. Give me this on some high quality hardware.
  - asciimike 7y ago
    I dual book my X1 Extreme with Windows 10 and Pop OS and it works about 98%. The trackpad is buggy as hell, auto date/time switch is broken, and a few other minor usability issues endemic to using Linux just drive me crazy. I've been debating hackintoshing it (https://github.com/Errrneist/Hackintosh-Thinkpad-X1-Extreme https://github.com/Errrneist/Hackintosh-Thinkpad-X1-Extreme) but it seems like eGPU support isn't there and that's one of the primary use cases I got for this laptop (CAD primarily).
auiya 7y ago
Not until there are accompanying ecosystem apps on par with Logic Pro, Final Cut, etc... I've found with almost every linux distro there's always an area where it falls short.
- Finnucane 7y ago
  Yeah, that is still a problem. I couldn't really move completely away from the Mac until I got to a point where I didn't need InDesign anymore. There's no good Linux substitute, even for money. Sadly Adobe has hidden away FrameMaker, which started as a Unix program.
- moooo99 7y ago
  It absolutely depends on which "Pros" your targeting. A software developer obviously has different needs in terms of software than a video editor or UI designer. I use Windows at work and at university. My private desktop has a dualboot install with Windows and popOS. Works perfectly fine for me

by IMTDb 7y ago

kitsunesoba 7y ago

PopOS is great but I think system76 needs to design their laptops from scratch instead of relabeling Clevo laptops if they’re serious about challenging Apple. Their laptops have the specs, but the fit and finish is just not there.

Finnucane 7y ago
I have a Clevo laptop (a few years old now) and even at the time, it was not exactly state of the art in terms of weight, battery life, etc. It's proven to be a fairly tough beast (even having fallen off my bike and lived). It is, unlike many new laptops, relatively easy to open up for upgrades and repair. Getting Apple's 'fit and finish' means a closed box.
- violinist 7y ago
  That's true now, but it doesn't have to be. Before the retina MacBook Pro, the MacBook Pro used to be one of the easiest laptops to service. Opening it up, it was very easy to access almost every component.
  - Finnucane 7y ago
    Those days aren't coming back.
captn3m0 7y ago
They are working towards it. Their new server hardware (or mini PC, forget which one) was designed and fabricated in-house.
miguelr2201 7y ago
When I was searching for a new laptop, I stumbled upon this comment from a System76 employee that goes into more depth about the work they do on new laptops that seems more than just relabelling Clevo laptops. https://old.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/5umefi/system76_refreshes_ubuntu_linux_laptops_with/ddvcx45/ https://old.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/5umefi/system76_refr... At the end, I went for a Lenovo V330 on sale since I couldn't justify the price of System76 plus shipping outside the US at the time. Disclaimer: I'm not affiliated with System76 in any way and have never owned a System76 laptop.
mcv 7y ago
I'm thinking about using PopOS on my Thinkpad X1 Extreme, as it's rumoured to be the only Linux that supports hybrid graphics, and it's specifically designed for developers and other creators (which Macbook Pros once seemed to be). Their hardware, though, seems to be meh. Give me this on some high quality hardware.
- asciimike 7y ago
  I dual book my X1 Extreme with Windows 10 and Pop OS and it works about 98%. The trackpad is buggy as hell, auto date/time switch is broken, and a few other minor usability issues endemic to using Linux just drive me crazy. I've been debating hackintoshing it (https://github.com/Errrneist/Hackintosh-Thinkpad-X1-Extreme https://github.com/Errrneist/Hackintosh-Thinkpad-X1-Extreme) but it seems like eGPU support isn't there and that's one of the primary use cases I got for this laptop (CAD primarily).

auiya 7y ago

Not until there are accompanying ecosystem apps on par with Logic Pro, Final Cut, etc... I've found with almost every linux distro there's always an area where it falls short.

Finnucane 7y ago
Yeah, that is still a problem. I couldn't really move completely away from the Mac until I got to a point where I didn't need InDesign anymore. There's no good Linux substitute, even for money. Sadly Adobe has hidden away FrameMaker, which started as a Unix program.
moooo99 7y ago
It absolutely depends on which "Pros" your targeting. A software developer obviously has different needs in terms of software than a video editor or UI designer. I use Windows at work and at university. My private desktop has a dualboot install with Windows and popOS. Works perfectly fine for me