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I feel the same. The stubbornness of Apple that was so frustrating is a bit more flexible now, paying attention to "subtle" feedback like the arrow key's sizes.
by htk 7y ago
I feel the same. The stubbornness of Apple that was so frustrating is a bit more flexible now, paying attention to "subtle" feedback like the arrow key's sizes.
- gigatexal 7y agoWe devs are so conservative. It's ridiculous. Nobody allows Apple to innovate.
- Someone1234 7y agoApple can innovate as much as they wish. For example put the touchbar above the keyboard or below the LCD. Nobody is complaining about the TouchID on the power button for example, since that maintains its core purpose. People are complaining because 30+ year old keys they rely on to do their professional work were removed to add arguably a gimmick with a worse user experience/no touch feedback.
- theklr 7y agoJust like people complained when they dropped floppy and and PS/2 for CDs and USB? Or when they introduced a smartphone with no physical keyboard? Anecdotes don't make it fact.
- llampx 7y agoYou can see the difference in reactions to know that it wasn't wanted or desired by the target market. Its not anecdotes anymore, its data which we've had 3 years to accumulate.
- foldr 7y agoI don't think there is a difference in reactions. A vocal minority complain every time Apple changes anything. Lots of people complained about the chiclet keyboard when the 2008 Macbook Pro came out. And shipping a computer without a floppy drive or a PS/2 port seemed crazy to many people at the time.
- matt4077 7y agoOh, don't underestimate the longevity of the no-floppy and especially the no-ethernet complainers. Just as one data point: there are non-ironic gripes about those decisions in this very thread.
- rurp 7y agoChange for the sake of change isn't innovation, it's a waste of time. Spending hours fiddling with a dysfunctional keyboard that breaks after a week of normal use or has a gimmicky non-standard layout is not how I want to spend my finite time and mental energy.
- Someone1234 7y agoIt may be "flexible" or their hand was forced. I know, personally, at least half a dozen people who have either delayed a Macbook purchased or outright moved to PC alternatives (e.g. XPS 13, Surface Laptop) because of the poor keyboard (both reliability and touchbar). Now six people isn't statistically significant, but if that trend mirrors a wider one it could be costing Apple a measurable amount. The real question is will this be enough to satisfy e.g. programmers that actually want to bind the F keys to build/clean/run/step over/etc?
- bluedino 7y agoThey'll go right back, don't worry.
- Someone1234 7y agoGo back to what? They already haven't purchased a new Macbook in five or more years, that money is already lost to Apple. All Apple can do is try to get them for their next upgrade.
- CydeWeys 7y agoI don't think I am.
- x0x0 7y agoWhy is that bad? Apple for once listened to feedback and made corresponding changes; what's wrong with saying k, thanks, great?
- saberience 7y agoI've just ordered my first Windows laptop ever, literally. Dell XPS 13 (6 core model). I've been using Macbook Pros solely since the original Aluminium model when Apple moved to Intel processors. Apple's apparent hubris and inability to go back on their design decisions (Touch Bar...) has just pushed me over the edge. I've been using my mid 2015 Macbook Pro and hopefully waiting for them to release a new MBP ideally without the touch or move the trackpad down/make it smaller, and have the Touchbar PLUS physical function keys (which I use for programming). So yeah... "Pro" users at least in my case (and some friends) are moving away from Apple.
- mschaef 7y agoIt takes a long time to get a design through the point of manufacture... especially at that scale. And even before that happens, an organization needs to admit that it has to happen in the first place. For everybody saying the keyboard sucked and needed improvement, there were at least a few people within Apple that had staked something on the design as it was.
- ianai 7y agoAnd yet, I don’t think I’ll upgrade solely because of the touchbar. It’s horrible.
- mschaef 7y agoI've had a touchbar machine as my primary for a couple years now and essentially don't use the touchbar. But I didn't use f-keys all that much either. I think there are some software improvement that could maybe make it better, but I'm not sure better enough to be compelling.
- nicoburns 7y agoHow easy is changing the volume with the touch bar. I use the function keys for that all the time.
- bluedino 7y agoFollow the money. It was cheaper to stick with that design for 3 iterations than it was to change it.