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And it's never true (or hasn't been for awhile at least). It's clear they're engineering for thinness above all else, usability be damned. I'm typing on a 201

And it's never true (or hasn't been for awhile at least). It's clear they're engineering for thinness above all else, usability be damned. I'm typing on a 2014-era Macbook Pro right now and I doubt any new scissor keys are gonna feel better than this. All of the newer Macbook Pros I've typed on have been terrible.

swebs 7y ago
Scissor keys are the old ones that everyone likes. It was butterfly keys that people have the problem with. Apple is going back to the good ones.
- deagle50 7y ago
  It's not just the switch mechanism. The keys are too big and the gap between them is too narrow. I used to intuitively feel where my fingers were and pressing a key off center was much less likely to cause a typo.
  - gwd 7y ago
    > There’s also more space between keys — about 0.5mm. This difference is much more noticeable by feel than by sight. Making it easier to feel the gaps between keys really does make a difference. https://daringfireball.net/2019/11/16-inch_macbook_pro_first_impressions https://daringfireball.net/2019/11/16-inch_macbook_pro_first...
    - deagle50 7y ago
      Thanks. I looked into it and apparently the new gap is 2.5mm vs 3.5mm on the 2015. I hope it's enough. If so, the next Air with the new keyboard and quad core Ice/Tiger Lake gets my money. edit: or ideally a 14" Pro
      - gwd 7y ago
        Yeah, I was quite encouraged by the description of the changes in that blog post. I haven't had an issue so far with keys sticking, but literally every complaint I did have about the new keyboard (low keypress travel, keys too close together, touchbar too close to the keyboard, no physical Escape key) was addressed. If there was an easy way to trade in my 2018 15" Pro for a reasonable price I would totally do it.
        deagle50 7y ago
        Sell it before its value tanks.
- blhack 7y ago
  This should be in bold type at the top of the page. If they keyboard has actually been fixed, they might keep me as a user.
bluedino 7y ago
Many people find the old keyboard to be mushy after using the butterfly for a while
- schuke 7y ago
  I bought my 2019 mbp specifically for the keyboard. It’s like a very shallow mechanical keyboard.
  - pdimitar 7y ago
    I've been interested in thin mechanical keyboards on laptops for a while now. Do all 2019 models have it?
    - AaronFriel 7y ago
      If my peers experience is any indication, they all have the switches that break spontaneously and keys that start double-entering, stop working, or even detach from the keyboard. I expect that their laptops won't have any working keys at 1 year of use.
jeremymcanally 7y ago
This one is 2% thicker to accommodate the mechanism changes and a bigger battery. But, sure, let's kneejerk yell about their engineering decisions.
aequitas 7y ago
This model is actually 7 mm thicker than the 2019 15".
- aerotwelve 7y ago
  Thank God. I'm so sick of Apple making their machines worse just to shave off a few nanometers from the chassis.
- deleted 7y ago
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- lgats 7y ago
  that's 0.7mm
- ProZsolt 7y ago
  Jony Ive isn't working there anymore. Coincidence? I Think Not!

swebs 7y ago

Scissor keys are the old ones that everyone likes. It was butterfly keys that people have the problem with. Apple is going back to the good ones.

deagle50 7y ago
It's not just the switch mechanism. The keys are too big and the gap between them is too narrow. I used to intuitively feel where my fingers were and pressing a key off center was much less likely to cause a typo.
- gwd 7y ago
  > There’s also more space between keys — about 0.5mm. This difference is much more noticeable by feel than by sight. Making it easier to feel the gaps between keys really does make a difference. https://daringfireball.net/2019/11/16-inch_macbook_pro_first_impressions https://daringfireball.net/2019/11/16-inch_macbook_pro_first...
  - deagle50 7y ago
    Thanks. I looked into it and apparently the new gap is 2.5mm vs 3.5mm on the 2015. I hope it's enough. If so, the next Air with the new keyboard and quad core Ice/Tiger Lake gets my money. edit: or ideally a 14" Pro
    - gwd 7y ago
      Yeah, I was quite encouraged by the description of the changes in that blog post. I haven't had an issue so far with keys sticking, but literally every complaint I did have about the new keyboard (low keypress travel, keys too close together, touchbar too close to the keyboard, no physical Escape key) was addressed. If there was an easy way to trade in my 2018 15" Pro for a reasonable price I would totally do it.
      - deagle50 7y ago
        Sell it before its value tanks.
blhack 7y ago
This should be in bold type at the top of the page. If they keyboard has actually been fixed, they might keep me as a user.

bluedino 7y ago

Many people find the old keyboard to be mushy after using the butterfly for a while

schuke 7y ago
I bought my 2019 mbp specifically for the keyboard. It’s like a very shallow mechanical keyboard.
- pdimitar 7y ago
  I've been interested in thin mechanical keyboards on laptops for a while now. Do all 2019 models have it?
  - AaronFriel 7y ago
    If my peers experience is any indication, they all have the switches that break spontaneously and keys that start double-entering, stop working, or even detach from the keyboard. I expect that their laptops won't have any working keys at 1 year of use.

jeremymcanally 7y ago

This one is 2% thicker to accommodate the mechanism changes and a bigger battery. But, sure, let's kneejerk yell about their engineering decisions.

aequitas 7y ago

This model is actually 7 mm thicker than the 2019 15".

aerotwelve 7y ago
Thank God. I'm so sick of Apple making their machines worse just to shave off a few nanometers from the chassis.
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lgats 7y ago
that's 0.7mm
ProZsolt 7y ago
Jony Ive isn't working there anymore. Coincidence? I Think Not!