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> Featuring a new Magic Keyboard with a redesigned scissor mechanism and 1mm travel for a more satisfying key feel, the 16-inch MacBook Pro delivers the best ty
by chinhodado 7y ago
> Featuring a new Magic Keyboard with a redesigned scissor mechanism and 1mm travel for a more satisfying key feel, the 16-inch MacBook Pro delivers the best typing experience ever in a Mac notebook.
Feels like they claim "best typing experience" every time they release a new laptop.
- JoeAltmaier 7y agoMaybe because they started out so low, and there was a long way to go with improvements.
- nailer 7y agoMy 2015 era MBA was great. They just screwed up, and told us they fixed it so many times it doesn't matter if they've actually fixed it this time (which they may have - https://marco.org/media/2019/11/mbp16-graph.png https://marco.org/media/2019/11/mbp16-graph.png - we'll see in a few months) because we don't believe them. Typing this on a Surface with WSL2.
- CydeWeys 7y agoAnd it's never true (or hasn't been for awhile at least). It's clear they're engineering for thinness above all else, usability be damned. I'm typing on a 2014-era Macbook Pro right now and I doubt any new scissor keys are gonna feel better than this. All of the newer Macbook Pros I've typed on have been terrible.
- swebs 7y agoScissor keys are the old ones that everyone likes. It was butterfly keys that people have the problem with. Apple is going back to the good ones.
- deagle50 7y agoIt's not just the switch mechanism. The keys are too big and the gap between them is too narrow. I used to intuitively feel where my fingers were and pressing a key off center was much less likely to cause a typo.
- gwd 7y ago> There’s also more space between keys — about 0.5mm. This difference is much more noticeable by feel than by sight. Making it easier to feel the gaps between keys really does make a difference. https://daringfireball.net/2019/11/16-inch_macbook_pro_first_impressions https://daringfireball.net/2019/11/16-inch_macbook_pro_first...
- deagle50 7y agoThanks. I looked into it and apparently the new gap is 2.5mm vs 3.5mm on the 2015. I hope it's enough. If so, the next Air with the new keyboard and quad core Ice/Tiger Lake gets my money. edit: or ideally a 14" Pro
- gwd 7y agoYeah, I was quite encouraged by the description of the changes in that blog post. I haven't had an issue so far with keys sticking, but literally every complaint I did have about the new keyboard (low keypress travel, keys too close together, touchbar too close to the keyboard, no physical Escape key) was addressed. If there was an easy way to trade in my 2018 15" Pro for a reasonable price I would totally do it.
- deagle50 7y agoSell it before its value tanks.
- blhack 7y agoThis should be in bold type at the top of the page. If they keyboard has actually been fixed, they might keep me as a user.
- bluedino 7y agoMany people find the old keyboard to be mushy after using the butterfly for a while
- schuke 7y agoI bought my 2019 mbp specifically for the keyboard. It’s like a very shallow mechanical keyboard.
- pdimitar 7y agoI've been interested in thin mechanical keyboards on laptops for a while now. Do all 2019 models have it?
- AaronFriel 7y agoIf my peers experience is any indication, they all have the switches that break spontaneously and keys that start double-entering, stop working, or even detach from the keyboard. I expect that their laptops won't have any working keys at 1 year of use.
- jeremymcanally 7y agoThis one is 2% thicker to accommodate the mechanism changes and a bigger battery. But, sure, let's kneejerk yell about their engineering decisions.
- aequitas 7y agoThis model is actually 7 mm thicker than the 2019 15".
- aerotwelve 7y agoThank God. I'm so sick of Apple making their machines worse just to shave off a few nanometers from the chassis.
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- lgats 7y agothat's 0.7mm
- ProZsolt 7y agoJony Ive isn't working there anymore. Coincidence? I Think Not!
- Waterluvian 7y agoThey're running out of ways to word their puffery.
- Keats 7y agoTheir 2018 MacBook is by far the best typing experience I had on a laptop. Other laptop keyboards would be happy with just writing down what I just typed, the MacBook goes one step further and doubles many letters. That's after 6 months of use and 95% of the time using an external keyboard. Meanwhile, every time I take out my 6 years old Thinkpad T440s the keyboard feels nice instantly.
- electrograv 7y agoYeah... at this point I half expect to read from Apple: “When we changed the key travel from 1.0mm to 0.5mm, it was so much better that it became the best keyboard in the world. And now, with the change from 0.5mm to 1.0mm, we’ve made it even better than ever: Welcome to the world’s best typing experience.”
- ngcc_hk 7y agoCommunist piggie joke of the Soviet Union era.
- andrepd 7y agoDon't the claim the best everything everytime they release a new anything?
- raverbashing 7y agoAnd for a good while they could actually have made a believable claim for it Now, it's just pure marketing speak
- sdan 7y agoYes. Because logically you improve everytime, primarily why Cook comes onto stage every year saying: "This is our best iPhone yet" or insert whatever apple product you want.
- weka 7y agoWhich is pretty redundant to say. No one would say the opposite and everyone expects an improved version. It's just fancy PR talking points.
- sdan 7y agoBut it makes consumers feel better about their decision. Imagine you're a techie and wondering if this very minimal refresh to the iPhone is worth buying? "It's our best yet" or "It's made for pros" I mean, as you pointed out, it's fancy PR/textbook examples of good PR.
- jacques_chester 7y ago
- willis936 7y agoIt feels like a single child is in charge of directing, writing, editing these marketing materials. It’s the “best”? Surely that alone will convince your customers who saw how you made the worst laptop keyboard ever when you shrank the depth. Surely you want to convince them you fixed that issue. Oh? You’re just going to ignore it and say its the best? The baseline price is $2400? In the highly competitive $1500+ laptop space? Bold move, Cotton.
- i_am_proteus 7y agoThey used the phrase "world's best pro notebook" three times in the first 200 words! How could they be wrong?
- trevyn 7y agoKatie Cotton retired in 2014! Now they have nobody to make new words.
- Zenbit_UX 7y agoPretty sure that was a dodge all quote.
- journalctl 7y agoDefinitely a DodgeBall quote.
- chrisseaton 7y agoIf you didn't think you had improved on the last version why would you release it? When you write software presumably you think each release is the best experience each time?
- notacoward 7y agoThe standard for releasing new software is that it should be better than its own previous self, in some way. It doesn't have to be better in all ways, or best in the world in any way, so long as the overall value proposition has improved. What rubs many people the wrong way about Apple is that they always claim to be the absolute best in all dimensions, as though engineering tradeoffs or accommodation to users' priorities and preferences are only for lesser companies. "Our car is the fastest and the most comfortable and the most fuel efficient, so you'd have to be an idiot to want anything else." It's the computing equivalent of snake oil, and people react to that.
- criddell 7y ago> they claim "best typing experience" every time they release a new laptop What do you expect them to say?
- Exuma 7y agoHow does 1mm travel distance compare to the external magic keyboard for iMac? I REALLY loved the short travel distance of .55mm :( I could type so much faster, bordering on 160wpm