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> And thus, an office in which this "set of activities" is not permitted is an apolitical office. Organization of people involves power dynamics. Maybe you can

by rtpg 7y ago

> And thus, an office in which this "set of activities" is not permitted is an apolitical office. Organization of people involves power dynamics. Maybe you can make an argument that something like holocracy generates an apolitical environment, though I think that doesn't hold up experimentally. Management deciding whether or not to increase vacation days is a political act. Employees deciding whether they want to stand together in negotations with management or handle stuff individually is a political decision. Hell, trying to push for more/less meetings in day to day work is a political act. It's pretty hard to have any sort of organization without the political aspect coming into play immediately.

manfredo 7y ago
> Management deciding whether or not to increase vacation days is a political act. No, it's a company policy. There is a contingent of people who believe everything is a political act, and perhaps you are among them. But know that this view is not as widely held as you might think. > Employees deciding whether they want to stand together in negotations with management or handle stuff individually is a political Interestingly, unions actually try to argue that they are not political. That is the cornerstone of their arguments as to why union dues are not compelled speech. > Hell, trying to push for more/less meetings in day to day work is a political act. Again, not for the overwhelming majority of people who consider this an apolitical change. Yes, if you believe everything is political then everything in the workplace is political. But most people don't subscribe to this view.
- joshuamorton 7y ago
  Your argument boils down to "most people agree with me". Can you substantiate that claim? Even if you could, that doesn't make the popular claim right, but your don't even have a proof that most people agree with you, sot you?
  - manfredo 7y ago
    Go around and ask your co-workers, "would you you consider a push by management to have fewer meeting a political act?". I sampled my co-workers and none of them considered it political. This works both ways: what data do you have that workers consider adjustments to things like meetings political acts?
    - joshuamorton 7y ago
      > This works both ways: what data do you have that workers consider adjustments to things like meetings political acts? Well no, you made an unsubstantiated claim. I'm just noting it was unsubstantiated. Given when I work, I suspect a survey of my co-workers would reach a different conclusion than you would. As for why it might be political: encouraging certain working styles is political, is it not? Pushing people to work independently as opposed to collaboratively is a highly political choice.

by rtpg 7y ago

manfredo 7y ago

> Management deciding whether or not to increase vacation days is a political act. No, it's a company policy. There is a contingent of people who believe everything is a political act, and perhaps you are among them. But know that this view is not as widely held as you might think. > Employees deciding whether they want to stand together in negotations with management or handle stuff individually is a political Interestingly, unions actually try to argue that they are not political. That is the cornerstone of their arguments as to why union dues are not compelled speech. > Hell, trying to push for more/less meetings in day to day work is a political act. Again, not for the overwhelming majority of people who consider this an apolitical change. Yes, if you believe everything is political then everything in the workplace is political. But most people don't subscribe to this view.

joshuamorton 7y ago
Your argument boils down to "most people agree with me". Can you substantiate that claim? Even if you could, that doesn't make the popular claim right, but your don't even have a proof that most people agree with you, sot you?
- manfredo 7y ago
  Go around and ask your co-workers, "would you you consider a push by management to have fewer meeting a political act?". I sampled my co-workers and none of them considered it political. This works both ways: what data do you have that workers consider adjustments to things like meetings political acts?
  - joshuamorton 7y ago
    > This works both ways: what data do you have that workers consider adjustments to things like meetings political acts? Well no, you made an unsubstantiated claim. I'm just noting it was unsubstantiated. Given when I work, I suspect a survey of my co-workers would reach a different conclusion than you would. As for why it might be political: encouraging certain working styles is political, is it not? Pushing people to work independently as opposed to collaboratively is a highly political choice.