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> Google also has a clause in their employment agreement that says you agree to them putting surveillance software on your devices, company supplied and persona

> Google also has a clause in their employment agreement that says you agree to them putting surveillance software on your devices, company supplied and personal, as a condition of your employment. That doesn't mean it's enforceable or that it wouldn't run into statutory limits. Many workplace relations laws are written on a strict liability basis, intent isn't necessary for infringement. So if it has a chilling effect on organising, it's potentially infringing. Mind you, there's something very rich in Google employees complaining about Chrome being used as a monitoring tool. Look around you, folks. What do you think pays for the fancy cafeteria? It's not hugs and smiles.

ChuckMcM 7y ago
There were a number of things in the Google employment agreement that my attorney suggested were either unenforceable for legal reasons or overly broad, he also pointed out that companies generally don't retain people who sue them (the contract is employment 'at will'). His advice was that if you didn't like it, just quit. That is the low cost way of getting out from under the contract that left little ill will behind. Suing was messy and follows one around to future job interviews.
- TheCoelacanth 7y ago
  "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man."
  - ChuckMcM 7y ago
    An acquaintance loves that quote, but modifies it slightly, " ... Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man to get someone else to change it."
- jacques_chester 7y ago
  Quite. I'm generally of the view that knowingly adding unenforceable provisions to a contract should be a crime and/or professional malpractice worthy of being disbarred. It's obtaining advantage through unconscionable deception. Or, less fancily: fraud. Entirely too much of this kind of thing is allowed to slide by legislatures.

ChuckMcM 7y ago

There were a number of things in the Google employment agreement that my attorney suggested were either unenforceable for legal reasons or overly broad, he also pointed out that companies generally don't retain people who sue them (the contract is employment 'at will'). His advice was that if you didn't like it, just quit. That is the low cost way of getting out from under the contract that left little ill will behind. Suing was messy and follows one around to future job interviews.

TheCoelacanth 7y ago
"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man."
- ChuckMcM 7y ago
  An acquaintance loves that quote, but modifies it slightly, " ... Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man to get someone else to change it."
jacques_chester 7y ago
Quite. I'm generally of the view that knowingly adding unenforceable provisions to a contract should be a crime and/or professional malpractice worthy of being disbarred. It's obtaining advantage through unconscionable deception. Or, less fancily: fraud. Entirely too much of this kind of thing is allowed to slide by legislatures.