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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/oct/14/atatiana-jefferson-fort-worth-justice https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/oct/14/atatia... EDI

by ptah 7y ago

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/oct/14/atatiana-jefferson-fort-worth-justice https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/oct/14/atatia... EDIT: they don't need a warrant if they have reasonable suspicion or doing a "wellness check"

candiodari 7y ago
TLDR: psychologists got themselves an exception to the constitution (not psychiatrists mind you, technically not even psychologists, they're "social workers" and they have no consistent degree, sometimes no degree at all) Why ? Because, so the claim goes, following the law they wouldn't be able to help. The problem they're facing is that nobody wants their help. They claim they're psychologically ill and that allows them, with help from police, to enter your home and seize you. Of course, you'll be expected to pay for this "service" (which is "not" why they're doing it in the first place)
- dragonwriter 7y ago
  > TLDR: psychologists got themselves an exception to the constitution (not psychiatrists mind you, technically not even psychologists, they're "social workers" and they have no consistent degree, sometimes no degree at all) Wellness checks are usually done by polcie officers alone, not social workers, and it's not like the rule was lobbied for by social workers, so there is no even remote sense in which it is accurately described by your TLDR that social workers got themselves and exception to the Constitution. If anyone got themselves and exception, it was the law enforcement establishment, police and prosecutors.
  - candiodari 7y ago
    Well, they do this at the initiative of a social worker, they "drop people off" (cuffed, to be locked up) at a mental health facility where that social worker works and the justification is a form that was filled in by an employee of that mental health institution as well (which you'd think would be a severe conflict of interest, but apparently not). And, of course, they charge for this. Thousands of dollars. I don't know if the police charge for this as well. As to who lobbied congress for this right, I can't claim any expertise. I hear it's state law, so it wasn't even congress itself.
    - ptah 7y ago
      do they shoot people at the initiative of the social worker? the problem is that people get murdered not that they get visited
      - candiodari 7y ago
        Shoot? No. They do end up dead on occasion.
        ptah 7y ago
        does that seem reasonable to you?

by ptah 7y ago

candiodari 7y ago

TLDR: psychologists got themselves an exception to the constitution (not psychiatrists mind you, technically not even psychologists, they're "social workers" and they have no consistent degree, sometimes no degree at all) Why ? Because, so the claim goes, following the law they wouldn't be able to help. The problem they're facing is that nobody wants their help. They claim they're psychologically ill and that allows them, with help from police, to enter your home and seize you. Of course, you'll be expected to pay for this "service" (which is "not" why they're doing it in the first place)

dragonwriter 7y ago
> TLDR: psychologists got themselves an exception to the constitution (not psychiatrists mind you, technically not even psychologists, they're "social workers" and they have no consistent degree, sometimes no degree at all) Wellness checks are usually done by polcie officers alone, not social workers, and it's not like the rule was lobbied for by social workers, so there is no even remote sense in which it is accurately described by your TLDR that social workers got themselves and exception to the Constitution. If anyone got themselves and exception, it was the law enforcement establishment, police and prosecutors.
- candiodari 7y ago
  Well, they do this at the initiative of a social worker, they "drop people off" (cuffed, to be locked up) at a mental health facility where that social worker works and the justification is a form that was filled in by an employee of that mental health institution as well (which you'd think would be a severe conflict of interest, but apparently not). And, of course, they charge for this. Thousands of dollars. I don't know if the police charge for this as well. As to who lobbied congress for this right, I can't claim any expertise. I hear it's state law, so it wasn't even congress itself.
  - ptah 7y ago
    do they shoot people at the initiative of the social worker? the problem is that people get murdered not that they get visited
    - candiodari 7y ago
      Shoot? No. They do end up dead on occasion.
      - ptah 7y ago
        does that seem reasonable to you?