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Same source http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/the-biggest-myths.html http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/the-biggest-myths.html lists it as most common myth number

Same source http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/the-biggest-myths.html http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/the-biggest-myths.html lists it as most common myth number 2. > This doesn't mean being fast was irrelevant for us, but reducing systemd to its speed is certainly quite a misconception, since that is certainly not anywhere near the top of our list of goals. > That would have been a lot better Yeah, I noticed that all the complaints about systemd almost never are about the init implementation. Instead people complain about journald (e.g. binary=plain text+time stamp instead of just plain text) or networkd or about Poettering or how there is some shadowy conspiracy. Honestly, I think if all the non-init parts had another name like "linux plumbing project" and were developed separately by non-Poettering, much fewer people would complain (even though the software is the exact same). It would also make discussions much clearer if people said in the beginning what exactly they are complaining about, e.g. "logind is buggy" instead of "systemd is evil".

roelschroeven 7y ago
> Same source http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/the-biggest-myths.html http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/the-biggest-myths.html lists it as most common myth number 2. Indeed it does. As said before, Poettering opens his introductory blog post "Rethinking PID 1" with a bit of history, and then immediately writes "As mentioned, the central responsibility of an init system is to bring up userspace. And a good init system does that fast. Unfortunately, the traditional SysV init system was not particularly fast." That's the very first thing he writes about systemd. And the speed of booting comes up again and again in the blog post. Then how can it not have been one if his major considerations? So he's contradicting himself, or he changed his mind in the three years between those blog posts. > It would also make discussions much clearer if people said in the beginning what exactly they are complaining about, e.g. "logind is buggy" instead of "systemd is evil". That's what one gets if one puts everything under the same name, throw everything in one tarball.

roelschroeven 7y ago

> Same source http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/the-biggest-myths.html http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/the-biggest-myths.html lists it as most common myth number 2. Indeed it does. As said before, Poettering opens his introductory blog post "Rethinking PID 1" with a bit of history, and then immediately writes "As mentioned, the central responsibility of an init system is to bring up userspace. And a good init system does that fast. Unfortunately, the traditional SysV init system was not particularly fast." That's the very first thing he writes about systemd. And the speed of booting comes up again and again in the blog post. Then how can it not have been one if his major considerations? So he's contradicting himself, or he changed his mind in the three years between those blog posts. > It would also make discussions much clearer if people said in the beginning what exactly they are complaining about, e.g. "logind is buggy" instead of "systemd is evil". That's what one gets if one puts everything under the same name, throw everything in one tarball.