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Six Policemen Came to the Home of a Young Woman at Night and Seized Her (2018)

• ptah 7y ago
  wow! that was really civil and non-violent. no military style attack like some other videos i've seen of american police
  • xyzal 7y ago
    Don't they have to present a warrant in the US if they decide to detain you in the middle of the night? They presented nothing of the sort in this video, and even hesitated to tell the reason of the arrest. I come from a post-communist country, and this video sends chills down my spine.
    • ptah 7y ago
      https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/oct/14/atatiana-jefferson-fort-worth-justice https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/oct/14/atatia... EDIT: they don't need a warrant if they have reasonable suspicion or doing a "wellness check"
      • candiodari 7y ago
        TLDR: psychologists got themselves an exception to the constitution (not psychiatrists mind you, technically not even psychologists, they're "social workers" and they have no consistent degree, sometimes no degree at all) Why ? Because, so the claim goes, following the law they wouldn't be able to help. The problem they're facing is that nobody wants their help. They claim they're psychologically ill and that allows them, with help from police, to enter your home and seize you. Of course, you'll be expected to pay for this "service" (which is "not" why they're doing it in the first place)
        • dragonwriter 7y ago
          > TLDR: psychologists got themselves an exception to the constitution (not psychiatrists mind you, technically not even psychologists, they're "social workers" and they have no consistent degree, sometimes no degree at all) Wellness checks are usually done by polcie officers alone, not social workers, and it's not like the rule was lobbied for by social workers, so there is no even remote sense in which it is accurately described by your TLDR that social workers got themselves and exception to the Constitution. If anyone got themselves and exception, it was the law enforcement establishment, police and prosecutors.
          • candiodari 7y ago
            Well, they do this at the initiative of a social worker, they "drop people off" (cuffed, to be locked up) at a mental health facility where that social worker works and the justification is a form that was filled in by an employee of that mental health institution as well (which you'd think would be a severe conflict of interest, but apparently not). And, of course, they charge for this. Thousands of dollars. I don't know if the police charge for this as well. As to who lobbied congress for this right, I can't claim any expertise. I hear it's state law, so it wasn't even congress itself.
            • ptah 7y ago
              do they shoot people at the initiative of the social worker? the problem is that people get murdered not that they get visited
              • candiodari 7y ago
                Shoot? No. They do end up dead on occasion.
                • ptah 7y ago
                  does that seem reasonable to you?
    • dragonwriter 7y ago
      > Don't they have to present a warrant in the US if they decide to detain you in the middle of the night? No, even if they don't have any of the bases for a no-warrant arrest, they don't have to present an arrest warrant. They don't even have the warrant with them, the arresting officer only has to have knowledge of the warrant’s existence.
• roenxi 7y ago
  It is worth recalling that the world is large and unjust things happen in every country. The biggest issue with China is that her citizens are going to be actively hampered if they try to figure out the extent of activity like that and organise to stop it. There is no point having a censorship department if it doesn't censor videos like that.