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The chart on that page shows the solar radiation as a (somewhat) instantaneous measure, against the global temperature which is a cummulative amount. The annual

The chart on that page shows the solar radiation as a (somewhat) instantaneous measure, against the global temperature which is a cummulative amount. The annual solar radiation jumps from a lower value to a higher value right about where the temperature starts increasing. It seems a reasonable theory to think that more radiation started coming in each year, and without an outlet it caused the temperature to start rising. This doesn't mean that we haven't been making things worse, or that there's nothing we can do. But it's crucial for us to understand everything that's impacting the climate, so we can make good decisions.

itcrowd 7y ago
The major drivers of climate change are known. Pretending the "science isn't settled" is sticking your head in the sand. Solar irradiance, CO2 and water vapor are important, but some are more important than others. Educate yourself. Here's a link: https://climate.nasa.gov/nasa_science/science/ https://climate.nasa.gov/nasa_science/science/ edit: I meant the "science isn't settled" above edit2: Changed "All the drivers" to "The major drivers" because "all" is too presumptuous
- darawk 7y ago
  > All the drivers of climate change are known. That's a fairly presumptuous, unscientific statement. Global climate is an extremely complex phenomenon. We certainly do not know all the drivers of it.
  - yokaze 7y ago
    Knowing everything is religion. There amount of details you know gives you accuracy. We didn't know everything with the Newtonian laws, but no one is claiming that apples don't fall from the tree. Contrary to climatology, where for some reason, people still come out and favour a non catastrophic outcome. And that despite the models lived up to make predictions within their accuracy, and even rather systemically too low for the last decade. Do we know everything? No, but that's hardly an argument to suggest the apple will fall up the tree.
    - darawk 7y ago
      I'm not arguing that climate science is incorrect, just that the commenter I was responding to was making a bad argument.
- YarickR2 7y ago
  My God, literally the link you provided states "Solar radiation is a primary driver of climate", and "Solar radiation is the source of heat for planet Earth".
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itcrowd 7y ago

The major drivers of climate change are known. Pretending the "science isn't settled" is sticking your head in the sand. Solar irradiance, CO2 and water vapor are important, but some are more important than others. Educate yourself. Here's a link: https://climate.nasa.gov/nasa_science/science/ https://climate.nasa.gov/nasa_science/science/ edit: I meant the "science isn't settled" above edit2: Changed "All the drivers" to "The major drivers" because "all" is too presumptuous

darawk 7y ago
> All the drivers of climate change are known. That's a fairly presumptuous, unscientific statement. Global climate is an extremely complex phenomenon. We certainly do not know all the drivers of it.
- yokaze 7y ago
  Knowing everything is religion. There amount of details you know gives you accuracy. We didn't know everything with the Newtonian laws, but no one is claiming that apples don't fall from the tree. Contrary to climatology, where for some reason, people still come out and favour a non catastrophic outcome. And that despite the models lived up to make predictions within their accuracy, and even rather systemically too low for the last decade. Do we know everything? No, but that's hardly an argument to suggest the apple will fall up the tree.
  - darawk 7y ago
    I'm not arguing that climate science is incorrect, just that the commenter I was responding to was making a bad argument.
YarickR2 7y ago
My God, literally the link you provided states "Solar radiation is a primary driver of climate", and "Solar radiation is the source of heat for planet Earth".
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