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"Several years ago, Chancellor Angela Merkel said the one in every seven jobs in Germany were "directly or indirectly" linked to the [automotive] sector." http

"Several years ago, Chancellor Angela Merkel said the one in every seven jobs in Germany were "directly or indirectly" linked to the [automotive] sector." https://www.thelocal.de/20150924/what-the-vw-scandal-means-for-germanys-economy https://www.thelocal.de/20150924/what-the-vw-scandal-means-f... Germany is the home of Mercedes, BMW, and VW (which owns Porsche and Audi and is one of the largest car manufacturers in the world). Their economy is very dependent on the auto industry. They are also home to many automotive suppliers including bosch and kuka. They are also one of the largest markets in Europe. So yeh it's all these reasons: logistics, infrastructure, talent. Plus they need German's to think of Tesla as a local brand. Imagine if Tesla is gutting market share from these other companies and they were in another country. It would engender resentment. Plus Berlin is a cool city :-)

Bombthecat 7y ago
Well, but Berlin can't grow anymore... Building new apartments and houses basically cut in half because the rent control law.. To no one's surprise.. If telsa cant find the talent in Berlin. They will be out of lick because no one can't or want to move to Berlin...
- chmod775 7y ago
  What you said is just absolutely wrong. On every level. You are just repeating the propaganda of the landlord lobby. First off, the number of building permits did actually increase more twofold (by number of apartments) between 2012 and 2018 (the first rent control law took effect in 2015)[1]. Secondly, the rent control law doesn't apply to newly constructed buildings. So suggesting it would somehow decrease incentive to build new apartments is ludicrous. In fact the opposite is true. If you want to have higher rents, you need to construct new buildings. [1]: https://i.imgur.com/sPgCyTn.png https://i.imgur.com/sPgCyTn.png - screenshot because direct links don't work on that page. Source: https://www.statistik-berlin-brandenburg.de https://www.statistik-berlin-brandenburg.de
  - Bombthecat 7y ago
    https://www.tagesspiegel.de/berlin/wohnungsnot-in-berlin-wird-weiter-wachsen-schon-wieder-weniger-wohnungen-genehmigt/25200616.html https://www.tagesspiegel.de/berlin/wohnungsnot-in-berlin-wir... To no one's surprise
    - chmod775 7y ago
      That article speaks of a 10% change for a 9 month period on a number that sometimes changed by more than 60% (2013 vs 2014) on a yearly basis in recent years. In any case a 10% fluctuation can hardly be called "basically cut in half", as you put it. I am reading "10%" as "basically unchanged". As it stands your argument is not even supported by the sources you are citing yourself. Edit: Ahah! When just comparing the single month of September we can find a decrease of about 50% though, according to the article (couldn't find a source for the number though, see below). So at least we have a number like that if we make the window so small that the data we have is beyond useful. A 50% fluctuation on a monthly basis is perfectly normal though. For instance there was a +120% change in April 2018 / April 2019 (1517 vs 3345)[1] in total permits on a per-apartment basis. You can find plenty of such fluctuations though when just looking at months. The data is pretty much completely useless on a month-by-month basis and can easily be skewed by a few large projects. Also I can't figure out where that article is pulling its numbers from, because it quotes "more than 1700 permits for apartments last year in September", while the official statistics[1] just have 1301 when counting any kind of permit. For completeness, here is the press release referred to by the article, which also doesn't contain any number like that: https://www.statistik-berlin-brandenburg.de/pms/2019/19-11-07.pdf https://www.statistik-berlin-brandenburg.de/pms/2019/19-11-0... [1]: https://www.statistik-berlin-brandenburg.de/publikationen/Stat_Berichte/2019/SB_F02-01-00_2019m04_BE.pdf https://www.statistik-berlin-brandenburg.de/publikationen/St...
iagovar 7y ago
Note: Kuka is basically chinese now, even moved operations to china.

Bombthecat 7y ago

Well, but Berlin can't grow anymore... Building new apartments and houses basically cut in half because the rent control law.. To no one's surprise.. If telsa cant find the talent in Berlin. They will be out of lick because no one can't or want to move to Berlin...

chmod775 7y ago
What you said is just absolutely wrong. On every level. You are just repeating the propaganda of the landlord lobby. First off, the number of building permits did actually increase more twofold (by number of apartments) between 2012 and 2018 (the first rent control law took effect in 2015)[1]. Secondly, the rent control law doesn't apply to newly constructed buildings. So suggesting it would somehow decrease incentive to build new apartments is ludicrous. In fact the opposite is true. If you want to have higher rents, you need to construct new buildings. [1]: https://i.imgur.com/sPgCyTn.png https://i.imgur.com/sPgCyTn.png - screenshot because direct links don't work on that page. Source: https://www.statistik-berlin-brandenburg.de https://www.statistik-berlin-brandenburg.de
- Bombthecat 7y ago
  https://www.tagesspiegel.de/berlin/wohnungsnot-in-berlin-wird-weiter-wachsen-schon-wieder-weniger-wohnungen-genehmigt/25200616.html https://www.tagesspiegel.de/berlin/wohnungsnot-in-berlin-wir... To no one's surprise
  - chmod775 7y ago
    That article speaks of a 10% change for a 9 month period on a number that sometimes changed by more than 60% (2013 vs 2014) on a yearly basis in recent years. In any case a 10% fluctuation can hardly be called "basically cut in half", as you put it. I am reading "10%" as "basically unchanged". As it stands your argument is not even supported by the sources you are citing yourself. Edit: Ahah! When just comparing the single month of September we can find a decrease of about 50% though, according to the article (couldn't find a source for the number though, see below). So at least we have a number like that if we make the window so small that the data we have is beyond useful. A 50% fluctuation on a monthly basis is perfectly normal though. For instance there was a +120% change in April 2018 / April 2019 (1517 vs 3345)[1] in total permits on a per-apartment basis. You can find plenty of such fluctuations though when just looking at months. The data is pretty much completely useless on a month-by-month basis and can easily be skewed by a few large projects. Also I can't figure out where that article is pulling its numbers from, because it quotes "more than 1700 permits for apartments last year in September", while the official statistics[1] just have 1301 when counting any kind of permit. For completeness, here is the press release referred to by the article, which also doesn't contain any number like that: https://www.statistik-berlin-brandenburg.de/pms/2019/19-11-07.pdf https://www.statistik-berlin-brandenburg.de/pms/2019/19-11-0... [1]: https://www.statistik-berlin-brandenburg.de/publikationen/Stat_Berichte/2019/SB_F02-01-00_2019m04_BE.pdf https://www.statistik-berlin-brandenburg.de/publikationen/St...

iagovar 7y ago

Note: Kuka is basically chinese now, even moved operations to china.