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Is the primary advantage of CockroachDB over FoundationDB primarily in supporting SQL out of the box? The multi-region support seems pretty banger at first glan

Is the primary advantage of CockroachDB over FoundationDB primarily in supporting SQL out of the box? The multi-region support seems pretty banger at first glance. P.S. ... and I had a tirade here about the licensing information being largely absent on their FAQ or product pages, but I did find this after a google before posting: https://www.cockroachlabs.com/blog/oss-relicensing-cockroachdb/ https://www.cockroachlabs.com/blog/oss-relicensing-cockroach... which... from what I can tell at my cursory inspection, seems okay to me. I'd be pretty pissed too assuming a giant SaaS company came by, forked their product, and then resold it with improvements they didn't upstream. Mostly, because it's just fucking rude. One could have a good business relationship with another company with both prospering, but instead you take the short-n-shitty road for no reason... With that said, it'd be nice if you put that in yer FAQ.

jaytaylor 7y ago
> Is the primary advantage of CockroachDB over FoundationDB primarily in supporting SQL out of the box. That + foundation db pulled the carpet out from all their users at the time apple purchased them. Cannot trust that team / product again, it would be incredibly and blasphemously foolish. At least CDB likely won't pull any such stunt. Disclaimer: I was personally affected by the FDB team making this choice back in 2015 when events unfolded. Still leaves a bitter taste.
- sporkland 7y ago
  The situation is completely different these days. Back then they were a small startup. The DB space is incredibly challenging especially because engineers tend to want things for free and are pretty demanding. An acquisition seemed like a likely outcome. To partially offset that risk they offered source code escrow to prospective customers. Now it's an opensource project backed by Apple. And from what I can tell the team is massively different these days. I'm not sure why the obvious conclusion is "we can't trust them". I've heard this narrative from people that got burned by fdb's purchase so I'll never use it again multiple times. It's largely confusing to me, as it doesn't feel connected to the current realities.
Avi-D-coder 7y ago
I have not heard a good explanation of foundationdb's consistency model. The claims have always seemed magical.
- ryanworl 7y ago
  Here’s an explanation from the lead developer on the team at Apple who has been working on FoundationDB for a very long time: https://youtu.be/EMwhsGsxfPU https://youtu.be/EMwhsGsxfPU
rand1244 7y ago
Cockroach Labs PM here. During the rollout of the new license, we put together a quick license FAQ you can find here: https://www.cockroachlabs.com/docs/stable/licensing-faqs.html https://www.cockroachlabs.com/docs/stable/licensing-faqs.htm... Noted that this is not quite discoverable. I'll push to get that fixed on our end. We'll also include a brief overview of our motivation for the change.

jaytaylor 7y ago

> Is the primary advantage of CockroachDB over FoundationDB primarily in supporting SQL out of the box. That + foundation db pulled the carpet out from all their users at the time apple purchased them. Cannot trust that team / product again, it would be incredibly and blasphemously foolish. At least CDB likely won't pull any such stunt. Disclaimer: I was personally affected by the FDB team making this choice back in 2015 when events unfolded. Still leaves a bitter taste.

sporkland 7y ago
The situation is completely different these days. Back then they were a small startup. The DB space is incredibly challenging especially because engineers tend to want things for free and are pretty demanding. An acquisition seemed like a likely outcome. To partially offset that risk they offered source code escrow to prospective customers. Now it's an opensource project backed by Apple. And from what I can tell the team is massively different these days. I'm not sure why the obvious conclusion is "we can't trust them". I've heard this narrative from people that got burned by fdb's purchase so I'll never use it again multiple times. It's largely confusing to me, as it doesn't feel connected to the current realities.

Avi-D-coder 7y ago

I have not heard a good explanation of foundationdb's consistency model. The claims have always seemed magical.

ryanworl 7y ago
Here’s an explanation from the lead developer on the team at Apple who has been working on FoundationDB for a very long time: https://youtu.be/EMwhsGsxfPU https://youtu.be/EMwhsGsxfPU

rand1244 7y ago

Cockroach Labs PM here. During the rollout of the new license, we put together a quick license FAQ you can find here: https://www.cockroachlabs.com/docs/stable/licensing-faqs.html https://www.cockroachlabs.com/docs/stable/licensing-faqs.htm... Noted that this is not quite discoverable. I'll push to get that fixed on our end. We'll also include a brief overview of our motivation for the change.