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Not to mention the fact that the premise of the whole damn thing is about the misuse of political power to dictate the course of investigations. Pot, meet kett

Not to mention the fact that the premise of the whole damn thing is about the misuse of political power to dictate the course of investigations. Pot, meet kettle.

jacquesm 7y ago
You seem to misunderstand some basics: using political power to dictate the course of investigations for personal gain is what the problem is, not the use of political power to dictate the course of investigations as such.
- beerandt 7y ago
  You don't think Democrats get a personal gain out of this?
  - jacquesm 7y ago
    There's a pretty good chance that they won't. See also what happened to the Republicans after trying to go after Clinton.
    - beerandt 7y ago
      Very true. Which is also why I don't get why so many Dems are supporting this so enthusiastically. As much as I never thought I'd say this, Pelosi had the right idea for how to play this, politically, until she caved. She seems to be the one thinking more than 2-3 steps ahead. But I also think you're giving them too much credit, because I really doubt they think they're going to suffer, politically. (The enthusiasts anyway, not those who supported Pelosi's slow play.)
      - jacquesm 7y ago
        > Which is also why I don't get why so many Dems are supporting this so enthusiastically. Because they are trying to limit the damage to their country. Which is substantial already, to put it mildly. Give Trump some more times and you may find yourself in an unrecoverable situation. This Ukraine mess is likely just the tip of the iceberg.
        beerandt 7y ago
        But if they really wanted to limit damage (in their eyes) wouldn't the politically smart play be to go the Pelosi route? Instead of dealing with negative post-impeachment fallout, and potentially ending up in a worse place on the eve of next years election, politically? Also genuinely curious if you've watched hearings this week, and if it's affected your opinion of Schiff.

Not to mention the fact that the premise of the whole damn thing is about the misuse of political power to dictate the course of investigations. Pot, meet kettle.

jacquesm 7y ago

You seem to misunderstand some basics: using political power to dictate the course of investigations for personal gain is what the problem is, not the use of political power to dictate the course of investigations as such.

beerandt 7y ago
You don't think Democrats get a personal gain out of this?
- jacquesm 7y ago
  There's a pretty good chance that they won't. See also what happened to the Republicans after trying to go after Clinton.
  - beerandt 7y ago
    Very true. Which is also why I don't get why so many Dems are supporting this so enthusiastically. As much as I never thought I'd say this, Pelosi had the right idea for how to play this, politically, until she caved. She seems to be the one thinking more than 2-3 steps ahead. But I also think you're giving them too much credit, because I really doubt they think they're going to suffer, politically. (The enthusiasts anyway, not those who supported Pelosi's slow play.)
    - jacquesm 7y ago
      > Which is also why I don't get why so many Dems are supporting this so enthusiastically. Because they are trying to limit the damage to their country. Which is substantial already, to put it mildly. Give Trump some more times and you may find yourself in an unrecoverable situation. This Ukraine mess is likely just the tip of the iceberg.
      - beerandt 7y ago
        But if they really wanted to limit damage (in their eyes) wouldn't the politically smart play be to go the Pelosi route? Instead of dealing with negative post-impeachment fallout, and potentially ending up in a worse place on the eve of next years election, politically? Also genuinely curious if you've watched hearings this week, and if it's affected your opinion of Schiff.