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https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/dems-impeach-gop-presidents/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/dems-impeach-gop-president... They haven't said anything untru

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/dems-impeach-gop-presidents/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/dems-impeach-gop-president... They haven't said anything untruthful here. But imagine the site were run by republicans - the framing would be different. The claim would be "5 of 6" instead of "every", allowing them to print a big green checkmark graphic, and supporting details for each attempt

dkonofalski 7y ago
I don't understand. The graphic included in that article shows the claim which is that Democrats have filed for impeachment for every Republican President. That's not a factual or accurate claim. If the claim was different then of course the result would be different. If anything, I think this favors the opposite of what you're saying since not only do they have varying degrees of truth (as opposed to simply saying "This is a lie") and they provide both a description of why they say it's "Mostly False" and sources for each claim. It's not perfect but this doesn't seem like a good example of bias or "framing" like you claim.
- beerandt 7y ago
  That's the point, it's selectively biased in what version of a claim to "fact-check."
  - dkonofalski 7y ago
    That is complete and utter nonsense. The version of the claim that's being fact-checked is the one that's shown in the article. Again, unless you have some evidence to suggest that that's been changed nefariously, your criticism is completely without merit.
nickthemagicman 7y ago
They're literally responding to a republican meme that phrases the question exactly that way? The meme itself is posted in that page. I think you might be projecting.
- papreclip 7y ago
  To me there's not such a big difference between resorting to a totally original straw man and picking the weakest argument among those different individuals on the other side of party lines have put forward. This snopes article serves as a catchall for claims about democratic attempts to impeach. There's no separate article for a different wording of the meme. And even if this were the only way anyone had worded the claim, it still merits a "partially true" or "mostly true". I deliberately avoided putting specific examples in my first post because I didn't want to quibble over the specifics. Spin is spin, it's not outright lying. Snopes isn't going to bend the truth to such a degree that a democrat, when confronted with the article, would be forced to admit they are dirty rotten liars.
  - dkonofalski 7y ago
    >And even if this were the only way anyone had worded the claim, it still merits a "partially true" or "mostly true". How so? At best, only 2 of the last 6 Presidents were actually called for impeachment by the Democratic party and, at worst, it was 3 if you count Nixon which was bi-partisan. How does that make the claim, in any way, "mostly true" or even "partially true"?
  - nickthemagicman 7y ago
    > democrat, when confronted with the article, would be forced to admit they are dirty rotten liars. And there you have it. I think your objectivity might be a little questionable. Reality has as known liberal bias.

dkonofalski 7y ago

I don't understand. The graphic included in that article shows the claim which is that Democrats have filed for impeachment for every Republican President. That's not a factual or accurate claim. If the claim was different then of course the result would be different. If anything, I think this favors the opposite of what you're saying since not only do they have varying degrees of truth (as opposed to simply saying "This is a lie") and they provide both a description of why they say it's "Mostly False" and sources for each claim. It's not perfect but this doesn't seem like a good example of bias or "framing" like you claim.

beerandt 7y ago
That's the point, it's selectively biased in what version of a claim to "fact-check."
- dkonofalski 7y ago
  That is complete and utter nonsense. The version of the claim that's being fact-checked is the one that's shown in the article. Again, unless you have some evidence to suggest that that's been changed nefariously, your criticism is completely without merit.

nickthemagicman 7y ago

They're literally responding to a republican meme that phrases the question exactly that way? The meme itself is posted in that page. I think you might be projecting.

papreclip 7y ago
To me there's not such a big difference between resorting to a totally original straw man and picking the weakest argument among those different individuals on the other side of party lines have put forward. This snopes article serves as a catchall for claims about democratic attempts to impeach. There's no separate article for a different wording of the meme. And even if this were the only way anyone had worded the claim, it still merits a "partially true" or "mostly true". I deliberately avoided putting specific examples in my first post because I didn't want to quibble over the specifics. Spin is spin, it's not outright lying. Snopes isn't going to bend the truth to such a degree that a democrat, when confronted with the article, would be forced to admit they are dirty rotten liars.
- dkonofalski 7y ago
  >And even if this were the only way anyone had worded the claim, it still merits a "partially true" or "mostly true". How so? At best, only 2 of the last 6 Presidents were actually called for impeachment by the Democratic party and, at worst, it was 3 if you count Nixon which was bi-partisan. How does that make the claim, in any way, "mostly true" or even "partially true"?
- nickthemagicman 7y ago
  > democrat, when confronted with the article, would be forced to admit they are dirty rotten liars. And there you have it. I think your objectivity might be a little questionable. Reality has as known liberal bias.