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The web browser version of FB is half decent, use that if you must. "I don't know why. They "trust" me. Dumb fucks." — Mark Zuckerberg (https://www.businessins

The web browser version of FB is half decent, use that if you must. "I don't know why. They "trust" me. Dumb fucks." — Mark Zuckerberg (https://www.businessinsider.com/exclusive-mark-zuckerbergs-secret-ims-from-college-2012-5 https://www.businessinsider.com/exclusive-mark-zuckerbergs-s...)

packetslave 7y ago
I'm sure YOU never said anything stupid over IM when you were 19. I'm sure YOU'VE not changed a bit in the past 16 years (the Zuck IMs were from 2003). Yeah, it was a stupid thing to say, but again... 19. [disclaimer: FB has no interest in me speaking on their behalf, unofficially or otherwise]
- slenk 7y ago
  There have been stories over the years that always seem to confirm that scumminess is still inside
- Nextgrid 7y ago
  On the other hand, if I was at the head of a company the scale of Facebook I'd just admit my past mistakes, apologise and do my best to regain people's trust. To the best of my knowledge, Zuckerberg hasn't done any of that and tried to cover up other potential mistakes by deleting all his past IMs from people's messaging histories [0] (something normal users still can't do). [0]: https://www.theverge.com/2018/4/6/17203114/facebook-mark-zuckerberg-messages-deleted-messenger-inbox https://www.theverge.com/2018/4/6/17203114/facebook-mark-zuc...
resters 7y ago
When I first heard about Zuck's quote I agreed with one of the commenters below who views it as an adolescent gaffe. But in the years since, it's become clear that Facebook is not a trustworthy platform. It is, in essence the social credit score AND great firewall of the US (and much of the world). No data in Facebook is off limits to governments, period. Think about the many trillions of crimes that have been committed where solid evidence (even confessions) is on Facebook's servers. It's just a matter of time until Facebook's data is used for law enforcement and profiling in ways that dramatically violate the 4th amendment and human rights in general. We learned recently that two Twitter employees had been Saudi agents. I think it ought to be considered obvious that most state actors have various employees in key roles in major tech firms, so it doesn't really matter what Facebook's official policies are with respect to warrant compliance, crime preemption, etc., state actors have access.

packetslave 7y ago

I'm sure YOU never said anything stupid over IM when you were 19. I'm sure YOU'VE not changed a bit in the past 16 years (the Zuck IMs were from 2003). Yeah, it was a stupid thing to say, but again... 19. [disclaimer: FB has no interest in me speaking on their behalf, unofficially or otherwise]

slenk 7y ago
There have been stories over the years that always seem to confirm that scumminess is still inside
Nextgrid 7y ago
On the other hand, if I was at the head of a company the scale of Facebook I'd just admit my past mistakes, apologise and do my best to regain people's trust. To the best of my knowledge, Zuckerberg hasn't done any of that and tried to cover up other potential mistakes by deleting all his past IMs from people's messaging histories [0] (something normal users still can't do). [0]: https://www.theverge.com/2018/4/6/17203114/facebook-mark-zuckerberg-messages-deleted-messenger-inbox https://www.theverge.com/2018/4/6/17203114/facebook-mark-zuc...

resters 7y ago

When I first heard about Zuck's quote I agreed with one of the commenters below who views it as an adolescent gaffe. But in the years since, it's become clear that Facebook is not a trustworthy platform. It is, in essence the social credit score AND great firewall of the US (and much of the world). No data in Facebook is off limits to governments, period. Think about the many trillions of crimes that have been committed where solid evidence (even confessions) is on Facebook's servers. It's just a matter of time until Facebook's data is used for law enforcement and profiling in ways that dramatically violate the 4th amendment and human rights in general. We learned recently that two Twitter employees had been Saudi agents. I think it ought to be considered obvious that most state actors have various employees in key roles in major tech firms, so it doesn't really matter what Facebook's official policies are with respect to warrant compliance, crime preemption, etc., state actors have access.