5 ms·
Another victim of Black Legend...
by spanxx 7y ago
Another victim of Black Legend...
- darkwater 7y agoPlease enlighten me
- thoughtleader31 7y agoThe Spanish try to whitewash their atrocities by speaking of a purposeful campaign of defamation from rival powers. So successful it was, apparently, that it made disctinct stories of Spanish brutality materialize in every country in the Americas. The legend of the Black Legend also emphasizes the enlightenment of the Crown's laws regarding the legal status and treatment of indigenous peoples. Unfortunately the rumors spread by the English about the treatment of natives were so convincing, that the Spanish conquistadors and encomenderos also came to believe that they had the right to enslave the indians and create a racial caste system where mestizos would live as serfs for centuries. Or maybe it just was that the laws were never effectively enforced.
- spanxx 7y agoNot true at all. English made propaganda about supposed atrocities and that propaganda is alive today: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_legend https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_legend
- thoughtleader31 7y agoYes, it is alive because the Spanish did do things like cutting the hands and feet of entire indigenous settlements, as they did with the village from which the mapuche general who resisted the initial Spanish drive into Chile suffered. The somewhat reasonable laws regarding the encomienda system were pervasively circumvented by the encomenderos by always demanding tribute in labor, and having it paid for generations. The mestizaje and conversion to Christianity was used, in the end, to also circumvent laws regarding the treatment of natives by creating an entirely new underclass of people lacking in rights. The Black Legend is what's known in Latin America as "history".
- spanxx 7y agoSpanish Crown edicted some laws to protect the natives https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_of_Burgos https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_of_Burgos What legal protection had the native population in the American colonies or British Empire?
- ankalagon 7y agoAustralian native population did not have land rights until 1970-1979 [1] [1] https://indigenousrights.net.au/timeline/1970-79 https://indigenousrights.net.au/timeline/1970-79
- spanxx 7y agoPretty interesting how independent latin-american governments succeeded in conquering native lands and subjugating native population: See https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_Araucan%C3%ADa https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_Araucan%C3%ADa Please note I'm giving sources.
- thoughtleader31 7y agoI know that Latin American successor states then went on to do the same and worse. The Chilean Congress only this year acknowledged the genocide of the peoples in Tierra del Fuego, perpetrated by mercenaries of settlers of various nationalities with total impunity from the Chilean state. Do look up the Wikipedia article on the War of Arauco for accounts of the cruelty of Pizarro and Pedro de Valdivia. As I said, the enforcement of the various laws regarding the indigenous populations were... lacking in enforcement.
- spanxx 7y agoAs time passes our society should be judged more severely. You can't judge actions of XVI century, bit you can sure judge actions of XX century.
- ankalagon 7y ago
- spanxx 7y agohttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_legend https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_legend
- darkwater 7y agoOk, my point stands exactly the same. Spain DOES NOT OWN any land in the American continent, the spanish empire is long gone, October 12th should NOT be the spanish national celebration. Focus on the present, not on the past.