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If people just keep flagging comments that they don't agree with, we will never be able to have a proper discussion about this. Holding a different/non-PC opini

by m712 7y ago

If people just keep flagging comments that they don't agree with, we will never be able to have a proper discussion about this. Holding a different/non-PC opinion should not be grounds for killing a post. Win with words, not with moderation. EDIT: The post is also gone from the front page. Upsetting.

rvz 7y ago
Exactly, surpressing discussion that people don't like and just sweaping it under the carpet or flagging everything you disagree with will only make the issue worse than it already is over time. A balanced evidence-based discussion from both sides paints the full picture.
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okusername 7y ago
Isn't it completely off topic for this board though? On reddit I'd agree with you.
- jstewartmobile 7y ago
  Hasn't Sweden become a tech hub?
- repolfx 7y ago
  Is it? Political threads are pretty routinely allowed and surface. This one is patently being killed because a lot of people really hate the implications.
- m712 7y ago
  Non-technology threads show up on the frontpage every day.
nabla9 7y ago
I didn't flag this, but I think this is not really very interesting. 1. Sweden/Nordics has had gang crime epidemics befor Motorcycle gangs using bazookas or military grade weapons. Homicide rates are still below 90s. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Nordic_Biker_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Nordic_Biker_War 2. Even the current violent crime wave has very low casualties. As I said in other comment. The most violent city in Sweden is close to NY in number of murders. 3. This is political issue for the radical right. They want to push this Swedish cities as violent hellholes because immigrants agenda.
- imartin2k 7y ago
  I do have two comments on this. 1. The comparison to the 90s is frequently made in the media and by politicians from the government parties, but rarely put into context. From what I understand, the early 90s were actually the worst period so far in modern Sweden (I moved to Sweden in 2006 so this was before my time). The country underwent a massive economic crisis, similar to what happened in the US in 2008. It saw, for the first time, the establishment of well-organized criminal gangs (as you mention), first large waves of war refugees (with the social and societal frictions and tensions this brought), as well as a wave of intense neonazi violence. And all this had to be handled by utterly ill-prepared, understaffed police, which until then, had basically never really been tested on that scale. On a side note: Police might be more skilled now, but is still massively understaffed (at least when it comes to those working outside the offices). This alone is quite a scandal in my opinion, considering the demographic and socioeconomic changes that the country voluntary went through during the past 30 years. You cannot take upon yourself the challenge of welcoming hundreds of thousands of people from war countries and totally different backgrounds, who often come with nothing more than a suitcase, place them all together in the suburbs in an otherwise extremely homogeneous, wealthy and famously "introvert" (for lack of better term) society (which makes it really hard for outsiders to connect and become a part of it), and then just hope that everything will be alright. 2. Regardless of the relative number of physical casualties, I'd argue that there is a lot being destroyed right now in Sweden in regards to trust (between people, into authorities) and perceived safety. This matters because one of the biggest advantages and success factors of Sweden has been people's high level of trust in each other (and into the state). If this erodes, it'll have many second order effects. Some of them will only become visible over time.
lumberingjack 7y ago
It's too late the country is already lost anyways
100011 7y ago
Noticing differences and basic pattern recognition is deemed off limits in liberal polities. Only "humanity" allowed is the collectivist, communistic, mythical "unity". They cannot for example explain why it is Sweden where grenades are sentient, but they are dormant Finland.
- lumberingjack 7y ago
  Then anytime we try to talk about the whole issue the online Nazis suppress the conversation

by m712 7y ago

rvz 7y ago

Exactly, surpressing discussion that people don't like and just sweaping it under the carpet or flagging everything you disagree with will only make the issue worse than it already is over time. A balanced evidence-based discussion from both sides paints the full picture.

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okusername 7y ago

Isn't it completely off topic for this board though? On reddit I'd agree with you.

jstewartmobile 7y ago
Hasn't Sweden become a tech hub?
repolfx 7y ago
Is it? Political threads are pretty routinely allowed and surface. This one is patently being killed because a lot of people really hate the implications.
m712 7y ago
Non-technology threads show up on the frontpage every day.

nabla9 7y ago

I didn't flag this, but I think this is not really very interesting. 1. Sweden/Nordics has had gang crime epidemics befor Motorcycle gangs using bazookas or military grade weapons. Homicide rates are still below 90s. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Nordic_Biker_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Nordic_Biker_War 2. Even the current violent crime wave has very low casualties. As I said in other comment. The most violent city in Sweden is close to NY in number of murders. 3. This is political issue for the radical right. They want to push this Swedish cities as violent hellholes because immigrants agenda.

imartin2k 7y ago
I do have two comments on this. 1. The comparison to the 90s is frequently made in the media and by politicians from the government parties, but rarely put into context. From what I understand, the early 90s were actually the worst period so far in modern Sweden (I moved to Sweden in 2006 so this was before my time). The country underwent a massive economic crisis, similar to what happened in the US in 2008. It saw, for the first time, the establishment of well-organized criminal gangs (as you mention), first large waves of war refugees (with the social and societal frictions and tensions this brought), as well as a wave of intense neonazi violence. And all this had to be handled by utterly ill-prepared, understaffed police, which until then, had basically never really been tested on that scale. On a side note: Police might be more skilled now, but is still massively understaffed (at least when it comes to those working outside the offices). This alone is quite a scandal in my opinion, considering the demographic and socioeconomic changes that the country voluntary went through during the past 30 years. You cannot take upon yourself the challenge of welcoming hundreds of thousands of people from war countries and totally different backgrounds, who often come with nothing more than a suitcase, place them all together in the suburbs in an otherwise extremely homogeneous, wealthy and famously "introvert" (for lack of better term) society (which makes it really hard for outsiders to connect and become a part of it), and then just hope that everything will be alright. 2. Regardless of the relative number of physical casualties, I'd argue that there is a lot being destroyed right now in Sweden in regards to trust (between people, into authorities) and perceived safety. This matters because one of the biggest advantages and success factors of Sweden has been people's high level of trust in each other (and into the state). If this erodes, it'll have many second order effects. Some of them will only become visible over time.

lumberingjack 7y ago

It's too late the country is already lost anyways

100011 7y ago

Noticing differences and basic pattern recognition is deemed off limits in liberal polities. Only "humanity" allowed is the collectivist, communistic, mythical "unity". They cannot for example explain why it is Sweden where grenades are sentient, but they are dormant Finland.

lumberingjack 7y ago
Then anytime we try to talk about the whole issue the online Nazis suppress the conversation