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We quickly need government-backed ID systems and reputation economics.

by Iv 7y ago

greesil 7y ago
Or sequence your DNA every time you put content on the web to prove you are a human :)
- Iv 7y ago
  Right, like we can't make fake human DNA sequences :-)
- drusepth 7y ago
  That's pretty unfair to the non-humans that put out quality content, though.
blunte 7y ago
While it may appear from my comments that I trust no government, that is not the case. However, I don't believe that most governments are immune to corruption or manipulation. So how could we prevent a reputation system from being manipulated for or against certain people?
- Iv 7y ago
  You have IDs from different governments. Right now Estonia allows any non-citizens to get an Estonian-approved crypto-token to prove their identity online. They'll deliver it after a thoroughly check of your passport. Now, you can get fake passports from corrupt governments, but I would argue that the effort, cost and risk to do that is a magnitude higher than what it takes to farm karma on reddit from a troll farm.
  - tluyben2 7y ago
    Maybe some kind of reputation related ID verification; get more 'verified ID' points when you get officially identified by different institutions or states. Let's say I have a Dutch passport, Dutch ID card, Dutch driver's license, Estonian ID card, I pay taxes (also requires ID) in NL, Estonia & PT, I have been to countries where the ID verifications are very stringent and I have been vetted by 20 banks around the world. That would create some score that identifies me as me. You 'only' need some worldwide decentralized system that recognizes this; or maybe just a per country system that works like that; if you don't trust country X to give me the correct score (because maybe I am a journalist with some negative stories about their gov so they fob the numbers and are known for that), you request a score from another country; if I can provide that, you can decide if you trust that I am human and me. The number won't tell what you were vetted for, just that you were and higher=better. EDIT: > Now, you can get fake passports from corrupt governments, But these are known for being corrupt, so your score would already be lowered considerable with a passport from there...
kevingadd 7y ago
Historically removing anonymous posting and sharing from services like facebook and youtube hasn't done much to solve these problems. Why would government-backed IDs and reputation scores attached to posts fix it, specifically? One person one upvote? Does that really help if thousands of people are getting duped by the fake content and upvoting it? For a reputation system to actually work, you end up having to limit it to hand-picked "experts", and now it's a question of how you pick them and how you stop regulatory capture from ruining the system (spoiler alert: it will)
tomjen3 7y ago
You don't need the government to provide an ID. Have people make their own keypair, then publish what they want. In the beginning it will be nearly worthless, but as others start to trust it it will become more and more trusted, even if nobody knows who is behind it.

We quickly need government-backed ID systems and reputation economics.

by Iv 7y ago

We quickly need government-backed ID systems and reputation economics.

greesil 7y ago

Or sequence your DNA every time you put content on the web to prove you are a human :)

Iv 7y ago
Right, like we can't make fake human DNA sequences :-)
drusepth 7y ago
That's pretty unfair to the non-humans that put out quality content, though.

blunte 7y ago

While it may appear from my comments that I trust no government, that is not the case. However, I don't believe that most governments are immune to corruption or manipulation. So how could we prevent a reputation system from being manipulated for or against certain people?

Iv 7y ago
You have IDs from different governments. Right now Estonia allows any non-citizens to get an Estonian-approved crypto-token to prove their identity online. They'll deliver it after a thoroughly check of your passport. Now, you can get fake passports from corrupt governments, but I would argue that the effort, cost and risk to do that is a magnitude higher than what it takes to farm karma on reddit from a troll farm.
- tluyben2 7y ago
  Maybe some kind of reputation related ID verification; get more 'verified ID' points when you get officially identified by different institutions or states. Let's say I have a Dutch passport, Dutch ID card, Dutch driver's license, Estonian ID card, I pay taxes (also requires ID) in NL, Estonia & PT, I have been to countries where the ID verifications are very stringent and I have been vetted by 20 banks around the world. That would create some score that identifies me as me. You 'only' need some worldwide decentralized system that recognizes this; or maybe just a per country system that works like that; if you don't trust country X to give me the correct score (because maybe I am a journalist with some negative stories about their gov so they fob the numbers and are known for that), you request a score from another country; if I can provide that, you can decide if you trust that I am human and me. The number won't tell what you were vetted for, just that you were and higher=better. EDIT: > Now, you can get fake passports from corrupt governments, But these are known for being corrupt, so your score would already be lowered considerable with a passport from there...

kevingadd 7y ago

Historically removing anonymous posting and sharing from services like facebook and youtube hasn't done much to solve these problems. Why would government-backed IDs and reputation scores attached to posts fix it, specifically? One person one upvote? Does that really help if thousands of people are getting duped by the fake content and upvoting it? For a reputation system to actually work, you end up having to limit it to hand-picked "experts", and now it's a question of how you pick them and how you stop regulatory capture from ruining the system (spoiler alert: it will)

tomjen3 7y ago

You don't need the government to provide an ID. Have people make their own keypair, then publish what they want. In the beginning it will be nearly worthless, but as others start to trust it it will become more and more trusted, even if nobody knows who is behind it.