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Sweden's 100 explosions this year: what's going on?
- 100011 7y agoIt's quite disingenuous to even propose the question. As if the answer is not clear from the first observation (older east European criminals and the new Diversity train). Of course, such noticing is de facto illegal in Sweden and in most liberal countries.
- newyankee 7y agoA self inflicted result to a large extent
- dwoozle 7y agoYour comment is the only one oblique enough to not be downvoted to gray... congrats :)
- yaris 7y agoI agree with that comment, although I'm not sure that the reasons behind the statement are the same. My reasons/observations are that a) swedes tend not to think about "bad case", so if something does not go according to an optimistic plan - it sometimes comes as a great surprise for them; b) over the years police became more and more understaffed and undertrained, due to both population growth and too many police officers leaving the job. Both these issues were never addressed until (partly) very recently (with Moderates and KD wanting to get more police officers), so yes - this is self-inflicted, in the sense that swedish police force is still in 90s or early 2000s, while criminals evolved well into 201X.
- m712 7y agoThis comment did not age well. People don't like to hear opinions that they don't like.
- dwoozle 7y agoLet me speculate that the bombers are not named Nils or Astrid.
- rudiv 7y agodog bounds towards you
- dwoozle 7y agoSorry I don’t get it?
- bgravinz 7y agoHe's claiming you're blowing a dogwhistle, and that you're not-so-secretly a racist.
- ALittleLight 7y ago"Dog whistle" is a whistle with a high pitch that only dogs can hear. It also means something that can be said, which isn't overtly racist, but which racists will recognize as reflecting a racist attitude. In this case, the comment is accusing you of summoning a dog with your dog whistle, while meaning that your comment is subtly racist. For what it's worth, I don't really agree. The bombers are largely second or third generation immigrants, and I read you as implying they weren't ethnic Swedes - which is true. I don't see how the truth can be racist.
- chasontherobot 7y agoIt's not that the truth is racist, its the selective application of the truth that is racist. For instance, the fact that the majority of the US prison population is African American has been used against African Americans for a very long time, while completely ignoring the selective prosecution that creates that situation.
- ianleeclark 7y ago> they weren't ethnic Swedes - which is true What is an ethnic swede? Does it have to do with blood purity, skull proportions, or some other definitely racist concept? Or, does it have to do with cultural assimilation and broad acceptance into the ethnic subgroup?
- tontonius 7y agoHow come organized criminals use bombs in Sweden but rarely anywhere else? IMO bombs are more like the M.O of terrorists. If a gang wanted to scare or take out a rival, there must be more efficient ways. A bomb not only draws unwanted attention from the public and authorities, you also run the risk of hurting the wrong people. (Edit: Am a Swede, and live nearby the Linköping bomb site that hurt 25 this June..)
- nkozyra 7y agoThe article draws comparisons to Mexico, where bombs are a part of gang warfare. Guns are efficient killing machines but I'd argue they represent a greater chance of being caught when attempting to kill or injure a lot of people at once. And this is terrorism, per the article, it's just seen as intra gang, not general public. That's also a +1 for a bomb, which can be hidden in plain sight and doesn't have to "work" to be good as a deterrent for rival gangs.
- nabla9 7y agoThis is not terrorism by any definition. Terrorism must have political agenda. It's political violence against non-combatants.
- schwap 7y agoAs recently as the early 2000s the Quebec Biker War[1] in Canada between the Hells Angels and Rock Machine gangs involved over 80 bombs. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec_Biker_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec_Biker_War
- tobbe2064 7y agoIt is my understanding that explosives where popularized after an influx of hand grenades from Serbia. Until rather recently these have been categorized as dangerous materials rather then weapons so it didn't carry the same risks being caught with them as with handguns. My uneducated guess as to why the violence is that is has become decentralized. We had a fairly long period with stable power structures in the Swedish underground, there where a few biker gangs that had a few rare and violent bouts bouts but they where infrequent. Today we have a large number of loosely organized criminals that act independently, fighting over much smaller turfs. In some sense this might very well be because the old criminal organizations, populated mostly by right leaning criminals, have failed to integrate potential recruits from different ethnic backgrounds.
- ivanjaros 7y agoWhats going on? Are you serious??? African and Muslim immigration is going on. Everybody knows it, but the machine must go on so dont tell anybody. But you can sleep well knowing that people got what they voted for.
- yaris 7y agoDo you live in Sweden, i.e. are you familiar with the situation from inside, so to say?
- ivanjaros 7y agome personally no, im based somewhere in europe... if you want to know more, watch "sanity for sweden", "Renaissance Horizon" or any other youtube channels that talk the facts. better yet, go to bitchute instead since yt censor machine is very active when it comes to facts and not feelings.
- dashescape 7y agoCuckleftist faggots downvoting this because they can't accept the truth.
- dashescape 7y agoIt's Middle Easter and African terrorists and criminals causing this and Sweden's terrible immigration/refugee policy, but leftwingers are trying to silence people telling the truth.
- xornox 7y agoThere is some critical difference between Sweden and Finland or Sweden and Norway. In my opinion, immigration is Ok, but it must be managed and incoming people must be integrated - basically they need work. Nothing else. If young men are living without work and without hope, this and much worse is a result.
- sol_invictus 7y agoquite a harsh oversimplification of what is going on
- xornox 7y agoHow it is an oversimplification? What else is going on? This sounds like a small scale tribal war. In history, when ever there has been too many idle young men, violence has been a result.
- bgravinz 7y ago"This is fine" is going on.
- nkozyra 7y agoThat's a very bad faith read.
- KhoomeiK 7y ago"This is a serious situation, but most people shouldn't be worried, because they are not going to be affected." What a terrible statement. Most "situations" don't affect most people. The fact that your chances of dying from pancreatic cancer are pretty low doesn't mean you shouldn't be taking steps to reduce your sugar intake and whatnot.
- adrianN 7y agoYou should worry proportionally to the actual risk. Most people don't worry day-to-day about pancreatic cancer (it's also unrelated to sugar intake afaik).
- nabla9 7y agoIt's a problem to be adressed but when when you quantize the problem, it's not that big. Sweden had higher rate of homicides in the 1990s.
- codingslave 7y agoLots of flagged comments in here with legitimate arguments.
- nkozyra 7y agoLargely broad brush arguments that ignore the detail laid out in the article.
- belorn 7y agoAt a glance it seems that any comment mentioning ethnicity got killed in one way or an other. It could be that anyone with those views are just using a large brush and ignored the details of the article. Time will tell.
- m712 7y agoMore like arguments that people do not want to hear about.
- nkozyra 7y agoBecause they're superficial and not particularly thoughtful? Yeah, agreed.
- the-dude 7y agoI agree. From NL, SE is perceived as being maybe the most political correct country in the EU. I think this thread reflects this. Lots of people who think problems do not exist as long as you don't talk about it. The 'self-inflicted' comment is spot-on imho.
- jordanbeiber 7y agoI’ve had many talks to people about this situation and in short I see this as young people not having been fostered by the society. There are so many aspects to it, but there are no easy meme-solutions to this one: It’s really interesting to read and hear about the success of the cease-fire/GVI method developed in the US and led by David Kennedy. This work have started in Sweden as well, but you need a 7-10 year horizon here: https://youtu.be/wu00H7eeWVM https://youtu.be/wu00H7eeWVM Conceptually it’s a bit like parenting actually, which only makes sense. For it to be effective it will require cooperation between several instances - police, social services, school and others that might touch/interface with these kids. It needs to be worked agile (not Agile), if you nerds know what I mean! Second - city planning. These areas will have to be bulldozed down and rebuilt IMO. People need to be able to put pride and feel connected to where they live. Young men tend to really easily access “don’t give a shit”-mode. I know from experience... A part of this generation is probably lost already and we need to keep a 20 year lookout. Or we can just whine about wanting 16yo kids be sent to 10 year in prison and spread memes on facebook.
- sebcat 7y ago> These areas will have to be bulldozed down and rebuilt IMO They did that in the 60s-70s with a part of Malmö, an area called Lugnet. That area was improved because of the gentrification that followed. The people who used to live in Lugnet (mostly working class) moved out to newly built areas further out from the city center (Rosengård for example). Those areas are problematic today.
- jordanbeiber 7y agoSure, but this is not what I’d like to see though. The “newly built” areas that you refer to are probably not something to be proud of, right? I’ve only been to Rosengard twice, and it felt just as awful as the old projects outside stockholm. This is going to cost a lot of money/resources to fix and I’d rather we spend money fixing the bugs in our society than build prisons and lock people up for decades. In the end the latter will not fix the underlying issues and instead work to segregate and compound issues further.
- yeahforsureman 7y agoWow, would've never thought Snabba Cash was this close to real Sweden...
- codingslave 7y ago"Swedish police do not record or release the ethnicity of suspects or convicted criminals, but intelligence chief Linda H Straaf says many do share a similar profile. "They have grown up in Sweden and they are from socio-economically weak groups, socio-economically weak areas, and many are perhaps second- or third-generation immigrants," she says. Ideological debates about immigration have intensified since Sweden took in the highest number of asylum seekers per capita in the EU during the migrant crisis of 2015. But Ms Straaf says it is "not correct" to suggest new arrivals are typically involved in gang networks." Flag my comment if you want, but this is doublethink brainwashing. "Doublethink means the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one’s mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them." -George Orwell
- jstewartmobile 7y ago"Swedish police do not record or release the ethnicity of suspects or convicted criminals" This why fewer and fewer people trust officialdom. Always redact, redact, redact! Whether it's CIA cables, air bags, or upticks in violence--the powers that be refuse to put the facts on the table and trust people to make the right decisions. If a guy kills some people, and is convicted by a jury, I think the public has a right to know who he is, where he came from, why he did it, etc. without having that intermediated by armchair-sociologist bureaucrat.
- testmasterflex 7y agoThe situation is terrible. From what I’ve understood from reading the news past year is that the police has lost control over Malmö (Sweden’s third largest city that got hit with the most immigrant applications) to organised criminals and the inhabitants who can afford it are moving away quickly. The right-wing party Sverigedemokraterna is hence growing stronger while the current ruling socialist party Socialdemokraterna is losing voters inversely as a result. https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinionsunders%C3%B6kningar_inf%C3%B6r_riksdagsvalet_i_Sverige_2022 https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinionsunders%C3%B6kningar_in...
- nabla9 7y agoMalmö is called the most dangerous city in the Nordic countries. In last few years it has had murder rate close to New York. New York has had lowest murder rate in 50 years and it's considered safe city. According to a 2015 ranking of 50 cities by The Economist, New York was the 10th overall safest major city in the world, as well as the 28th safest in personal safety[1]. I suppose many New Yorkers can sympathize with people Malmö because they know what it's to live in constant fear when the police has lost the control. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_New_York_City https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_New_York_City
- pandaman 7y agoCrime in large cities is not evenly distributed. You can leave your car unlocked in one neighborhood and you will regret stopping at the light with an open window in another. Malmo's population is only 300K according to Wiki. It's smaller than the smallest borough of the NYC. I imagine its residents do not enjoy nearly as much insulation from the crime areas as Newyorkers do.
- m712 7y agoIf people just keep flagging comments that they don't agree with, we will never be able to have a proper discussion about this. Holding a different/non-PC opinion should not be grounds for killing a post. Win with words, not with moderation. EDIT: The post is also gone from the front page. Upsetting.
- rvz 7y agoExactly, surpressing discussion that people don't like and just sweaping it under the carpet or flagging everything you disagree with will only make the issue worse than it already is over time. A balanced evidence-based discussion from both sides paints the full picture.
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- okusername 7y agoIsn't it completely off topic for this board though? On reddit I'd agree with you.
- jstewartmobile 7y agoHasn't Sweden become a tech hub?
- repolfx 7y agoIs it? Political threads are pretty routinely allowed and surface. This one is patently being killed because a lot of people really hate the implications.
- m712 7y agoNon-technology threads show up on the frontpage every day.
- nabla9 7y agoI didn't flag this, but I think this is not really very interesting. 1. Sweden/Nordics has had gang crime epidemics befor Motorcycle gangs using bazookas or military grade weapons. Homicide rates are still below 90s. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Nordic_Biker_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Nordic_Biker_War 2. Even the current violent crime wave has very low casualties. As I said in other comment. The most violent city in Sweden is close to NY in number of murders. 3. This is political issue for the radical right. They want to push this Swedish cities as violent hellholes because immigrants agenda.
- jstewartmobile 7y agoWhen data is kept secret, but interpretations are given freely, I think it would be prudent to reject those interpretations.
- lumberingjack 7y agoOh now we're going to start talking about violence and immigration 10 years too late the country is lost
- lumberingjack 7y agoTo all the share blue people who flagged this story the real adults are trying to have a conversation about how to fix this if it ever comes to our country stop ending conversations online by flagging stuff