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Actually one of the things that Lighthouse (Chrome's speed test tool) complains about a lot is some of the things that are a result of using Google's AdSense.

joegahona 7y ago
It also throws penalties for using Google Tag Manager and Google Analytics.
- beaner 7y ago
  Kind of a good sign that Google's internal teams actually work independently and don't give special exemptions to other units of the company?
  - Semaphor 7y ago
    Way back, the chrome website got penalized by Google (the search engine) for disallowed SEO tricks ;)
  - darkwater 7y ago
    That's how it works now, but they can fix it internally whenever they feel like to...
    - SmellyGeekBoy 7y ago
      I actually seriously have my doubts about that.
  - joegahona 7y ago
    The way that the Google Search unit gives preference to Google AMP unit in its mobile results? Yes, I suppose it's a good sign that they don't also give that sort of exemption here, but I would consider that expected, not praiseworthy.
kaycebasques 7y ago
We’ve also got a section on web.dev focusing on the specific problems that 3rd-party resources can create and how to fix them: https://web.dev/fast/#optimize-your-third-party-resources https://web.dev/fast/#optimize-your-third-party-resources We mention that ad scripts are a common type of problematic 3rd-party resource but we use the phrase “3rd-party resource” because there are lots of other common problematic scripts, like A/B tests, social media widgets, and analytics scripts. Disclosure: I work on web.dev
- thrwawy11233211 7y ago
  Ok, you got a click out of me.... This sort of basic advice (use browser features to defer loading, and plead with the masters not to ask for so much JavaScript) is obviously already considered by the HN audience and so this link is basically useless.
  - ncallaway 7y ago
    I strongly disagree with this comment. I sincerely doubt 100% of the HN audience always considers those things. You might think some of those things are basic, but that doesn't make them useless. This kind of lack of empathy for new learners can make it incredibly difficult to teach concepts to those who don't have as much knowledge as you may have. See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkmNXy7er84 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkmNXy7er84 for a great video by 3blue1brown on this topic.
- littlestymaar 7y ago
  How does Google works internally between teams on this kind of issues? For instance, do you work with people developing Google apps sometimes? Because it seems that they've gotten slower and slower as time goes: for instance, if YouTube was a porn tube, it will be dead already because it's much much slower than the competition.
- dmitriid 7y ago
  Will web.dev finally do what they preach and fix Google's own websites before penalising everyone else?

joegahona 7y ago

It also throws penalties for using Google Tag Manager and Google Analytics.

beaner 7y ago
Kind of a good sign that Google's internal teams actually work independently and don't give special exemptions to other units of the company?
- Semaphor 7y ago
  Way back, the chrome website got penalized by Google (the search engine) for disallowed SEO tricks ;)
- darkwater 7y ago
  That's how it works now, but they can fix it internally whenever they feel like to...
  - SmellyGeekBoy 7y ago
    I actually seriously have my doubts about that.
- joegahona 7y ago
  The way that the Google Search unit gives preference to Google AMP unit in its mobile results? Yes, I suppose it's a good sign that they don't also give that sort of exemption here, but I would consider that expected, not praiseworthy.

kaycebasques 7y ago

We’ve also got a section on web.dev focusing on the specific problems that 3rd-party resources can create and how to fix them: https://web.dev/fast/#optimize-your-third-party-resources https://web.dev/fast/#optimize-your-third-party-resources We mention that ad scripts are a common type of problematic 3rd-party resource but we use the phrase “3rd-party resource” because there are lots of other common problematic scripts, like A/B tests, social media widgets, and analytics scripts. Disclosure: I work on web.dev

thrwawy11233211 7y ago
Ok, you got a click out of me.... This sort of basic advice (use browser features to defer loading, and plead with the masters not to ask for so much JavaScript) is obviously already considered by the HN audience and so this link is basically useless.
- ncallaway 7y ago
  I strongly disagree with this comment. I sincerely doubt 100% of the HN audience always considers those things. You might think some of those things are basic, but that doesn't make them useless. This kind of lack of empathy for new learners can make it incredibly difficult to teach concepts to those who don't have as much knowledge as you may have. See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkmNXy7er84 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkmNXy7er84 for a great video by 3blue1brown on this topic.
littlestymaar 7y ago
How does Google works internally between teams on this kind of issues? For instance, do you work with people developing Google apps sometimes? Because it seems that they've gotten slower and slower as time goes: for instance, if YouTube was a porn tube, it will be dead already because it's much much slower than the competition.
dmitriid 7y ago
Will web.dev finally do what they preach and fix Google's own websites before penalising everyone else?