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> We... hope to land on something that is practically achievable by all developers. There are a LOT of people who have websites that depend upon software that

by dpau 7y ago

> We... hope to land on something that is practically achievable by all developers. There are a LOT of people who have websites that depend upon software that they don't directly control, best example might be Wordpress users with plugins. I myself have built a number of hobby websites that I just don't have time to figure out how to update based on Google's recommendations. For example, according to PageSpeed I need to "Serve images in next-gen formats" and I just don't have the ability to do that now (underlying image processing libraries don't support it) without a serious time commitment. So I'm worried that a lot of smaller sites that don't have the resources to keep up with Google's requirements are going to get a "badge of shame"..

microcolonel 7y ago
Well, if your website is exceptionally slow because you chose a substandard way of building it, why should Google lie to users to... preserve your vanity? It doesn't take much in the way of "resources" to make a webpage that is "fast" by Google's definition.
- dpau 7y ago
  It's not just about vanity. Warning users that a site "usually loads slow" is a statement of quality. The website might be the best resource on the internet for the type of service or knowledge being provided, but getting that badge immediately sets a bad impression. The person running the site might not have the ability or resources to fix the problem. As an example, Wordpress sites running a slow theme or plugin. There are a lot of small businesses, publications, and hobby sites that simply won't be able to fix these issues.
orf 7y ago
> I just don't have time to figure out https://developers.cloudflare.com/images/about/ https://developers.cloudflare.com/images/about/ Also Chrome doesn't collect or aggregate performance data for sites without a decent amount of traffic. They are not going to label your hobby sites as slow as there is not enough data to do so. https://developers.google.com/speed/docs/insights/v5/about#faq https://developers.google.com/speed/docs/insights/v5/about#f...
- dpau 7y ago
  Yes, exactly, I don't have time to move tens of thousands of images to Cloudflare, update the image upload code, change all of the links, etc. I think you are also underestimating the number of hobby sites that are the primary source of information for their niche and have decent traffic, many of them running Wordpress with tons of horrible plugins. Yes, I know, not ideal. But these people don't have many alternatives.

by dpau 7y ago

microcolonel 7y ago

Well, if your website is exceptionally slow because you chose a substandard way of building it, why should Google lie to users to... preserve your vanity? It doesn't take much in the way of "resources" to make a webpage that is "fast" by Google's definition.

dpau 7y ago
It's not just about vanity. Warning users that a site "usually loads slow" is a statement of quality. The website might be the best resource on the internet for the type of service or knowledge being provided, but getting that badge immediately sets a bad impression. The person running the site might not have the ability or resources to fix the problem. As an example, Wordpress sites running a slow theme or plugin. There are a lot of small businesses, publications, and hobby sites that simply won't be able to fix these issues.

orf 7y ago

> I just don't have time to figure out https://developers.cloudflare.com/images/about/ https://developers.cloudflare.com/images/about/ Also Chrome doesn't collect or aggregate performance data for sites without a decent amount of traffic. They are not going to label your hobby sites as slow as there is not enough data to do so. https://developers.google.com/speed/docs/insights/v5/about#faq https://developers.google.com/speed/docs/insights/v5/about#f...

dpau 7y ago
Yes, exactly, I don't have time to move tens of thousands of images to Cloudflare, update the image upload code, change all of the links, etc. I think you are also underestimating the number of hobby sites that are the primary source of information for their niche and have decent traffic, many of them running Wordpress with tons of horrible plugins. Yes, I know, not ideal. But these people don't have many alternatives.