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In what way is "indicate that this website is slow" a walled garden or contrary to openness?

by lkbm 7y ago

skywhopper 7y ago
Because the criteria will inevitably be biased towards technology and techniques that favor Google, Chrome, AMP, etc. If you trust Google to be an unbiased arbiter of objective measurements of website efficiency, you are giving them a lot more credit than I would at this point.
- jefftk 7y ago
  Visit an AMP page in Lighthouse and you won't see an especially good score. Lighthouse doesn't special-case AMP or pick metrics that would make AMP look good.
  - adrianN 7y ago
    Just because a monopoly is not acting maliciously today, that doesn't mean that it won't tomorrow.
themoonbus 7y ago
Because Google is the decider of what constitutes "slow"? You have a single organization deciding what the threshold is between slow and fast. And, they also have a Google-approved solution (amp) that I'm sure they will tie into the recommended actions for "slow" pages. I'm not saying it's a walled garden (that's a more extreme situation on the continuum between open and closed), I was just using the phrase to illustrate my point that the end-user experience isn't the only factor to consider.
dredmorbius 7y ago
In the United States, the role of a central bank is to manage two measures: inflation and unemployment. The US Federal Reserve Bank does not measure inflation or unemployment. Rather, the US Department of Labour, an independent organisation (and a branch of government rather than a freestanding entity) computes both measures. This is the principle of division of responsibility and measurement or judgement. You cut, I choose. Google are both measuring, and rewarding, website performance, as well as designing and distributing the principle tools that benefit by both choices. That's an extreme locus of power. And, history shows, generally a Bad Idea which Ends Poorly.
- mr__y 7y ago
  >Google are both measuring, and rewarding, website performance, as well as designing and distributing the principle tools Also given their market share as a search engine, they also get to decide which websites you will be able to "discover" additionally incorporating their performance metrics into their website ranking. So not only a website will get a "slow badge" but will also be downranked into oblivion.

In what way is "indicate that this website is slow" a walled garden or contrary to openness?

by lkbm 7y ago

In what way is "indicate that this website is slow" a walled garden or contrary to openness?

Because the criteria will inevitably be biased towards technology and techniques that favor Google, Chrome, AMP, etc. If you trust Google to be an unbiased arbiter of objective measurements of website efficiency, you are giving them a lot more credit than I would at this point.

jefftk 7y ago
Visit an AMP page in Lighthouse and you won't see an especially good score. Lighthouse doesn't special-case AMP or pick metrics that would make AMP look good.
- adrianN 7y ago
  Just because a monopoly is not acting maliciously today, that doesn't mean that it won't tomorrow.

themoonbus 7y ago

Because Google is the decider of what constitutes "slow"? You have a single organization deciding what the threshold is between slow and fast. And, they also have a Google-approved solution (amp) that I'm sure they will tie into the recommended actions for "slow" pages. I'm not saying it's a walled garden (that's a more extreme situation on the continuum between open and closed), I was just using the phrase to illustrate my point that the end-user experience isn't the only factor to consider.

dredmorbius 7y ago

In the United States, the role of a central bank is to manage two measures: inflation and unemployment. The US Federal Reserve Bank does not measure inflation or unemployment. Rather, the US Department of Labour, an independent organisation (and a branch of government rather than a freestanding entity) computes both measures. This is the principle of division of responsibility and measurement or judgement. You cut, I choose. Google are both measuring, and rewarding, website performance, as well as designing and distributing the principle tools that benefit by both choices. That's an extreme locus of power. And, history shows, generally a Bad Idea which Ends Poorly.

mr__y 7y ago
>Google are both measuring, and rewarding, website performance, as well as designing and distributing the principle tools Also given their market share as a search engine, they also get to decide which websites you will be able to "discover" additionally incorporating their performance metrics into their website ranking. So not only a website will get a "slow badge" but will also be downranked into oblivion.