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> For example, there is a lot of hatred brewing against the Chinese government caused by unverifiable claims of concentration camps. "unverifiable claims" - wh

> For example, there is a lot of hatred brewing against the Chinese government caused by unverifiable claims of concentration camps. "unverifiable claims" - what? Even the Chinese government admits they exist/existed [0]. Overall I think your point that it's overwhelmingly easy to confuse the truth these days is exactly right, but you're the subject in your example instead of the people you point the finger at. [0] https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/30/world/asia/china-xinjiang.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/30/world/asia/china-xinjiang...

ganzuul 7y ago
Concentration camps, not internment camps. Different claims. There are verifiable claims and then there are claims which are not verified. People look terrible when sick and dying and most people overlook that the being sick and dying is happening while receiving medical care in a hospital setting. The images from the Nazi concentration camps is something completely different. The same thing happened after WWII where some people tacked on unverifiable claims to the long list of Nazi atrocities. A well-known debunked claim although not of atrocities is by someone claiming he was nasally administering cocaine to Hitler. Claims like these require investigation and detract from attention given to real leads, but that takes work and people instead form mobs and repeat the most relatable claims. - I don't see why I need to spell out how to decouple my personal experience from the narrative I presented. Seems trivial to generalize.
- stonogo 7y ago
  The difference between "concentration camp" and "internment camp" is one of branding and there is no practical difference.
  - mensetmanusman 7y ago
    The common parlance in the US is that concentration camp means ‘what happened during ww2’ because that is how the education system explained the term.
- nl 7y ago
  The Xinjiang camps appear to be nearly identical in purpose and behaviour to the original concentration camps used by the British at the end of the Boer war[1]. The Chinese ones do not seem to be doing mass execution, unlike the Nazi ones. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_concentration_camps https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_concentration_camps

ganzuul 7y ago

Concentration camps, not internment camps. Different claims. There are verifiable claims and then there are claims which are not verified. People look terrible when sick and dying and most people overlook that the being sick and dying is happening while receiving medical care in a hospital setting. The images from the Nazi concentration camps is something completely different. The same thing happened after WWII where some people tacked on unverifiable claims to the long list of Nazi atrocities. A well-known debunked claim although not of atrocities is by someone claiming he was nasally administering cocaine to Hitler. Claims like these require investigation and detract from attention given to real leads, but that takes work and people instead form mobs and repeat the most relatable claims. - I don't see why I need to spell out how to decouple my personal experience from the narrative I presented. Seems trivial to generalize.

stonogo 7y ago
The difference between "concentration camp" and "internment camp" is one of branding and there is no practical difference.
- mensetmanusman 7y ago
  The common parlance in the US is that concentration camp means ‘what happened during ww2’ because that is how the education system explained the term.
nl 7y ago
The Xinjiang camps appear to be nearly identical in purpose and behaviour to the original concentration camps used by the British at the end of the Boer war[1]. The Chinese ones do not seem to be doing mass execution, unlike the Nazi ones. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_concentration_camps https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_concentration_camps