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At this point, can we just pin a post to the top of every message board and forum that says: > [For Profit Company] [verb] [adjective] data of [noun]. The poi

by dvdhnt 7y ago

At this point, can we just pin a post to the top of every message board and forum that says: > [For Profit Company] [verb] [adjective] data of [noun]. The point is, what do people think these thousands of engineers are doing throughout the tech industry? Do people really believe it takes 1k developers to style a login button? Or deploy a kubernetes cluster? It's painfully simple. Capitalism dictates that companies must acquire and explore new methods of generating profit at all costs. Therefore, it should be assumed that an internet company is hoovering as much data as possible until proven otherwise.

robin_reala 7y ago
In the US maybe. In Europe we have laws against that sort of behaviour, and generally the threat of massive legal fines is an effective counterbalance to the potential gain of data lakes.
- drstewart 7y ago
  A shame those massive fines don't get applied to IKEA's tax avoidance schemes
  - robin_reala 7y ago
    Shrug. You can only fine what’s actually illegal, and tax avoidance currently isn’t. If corporate behaviours are deemed problematic then generally laws are updated to cover that.
- dvdhnt 7y ago
  Most definitely. My, for a lack of a better word, jaded perspective comes from living in a country where I am constantly bombarded with ads and am forced to fight for any sort of protection from corporations :/
- L0stRegulator 7y ago
  There are a lot of derogations in GDPR. These could easily cover the current case in point (and the sharing of data with the UK NHS etc) "The GDPR provides several exemptions and derogations for the use of health data, e.g. in the context of research or public health purposes under certain conditions. Typical procedures in this context include the application of ethical standards for scientific research as mentioned in Recital 33 and the implementation of organisational and technical safeguards as mentioned in Article 89 including anonymisation, pseudonymisation and encryption [2]. Pseudonymisation is generally recommended as long as the research purposes can be fulfilled in this manner. With the condition of such safeguards, the GDPR creates exemptions for researchers to process sensitive health data even beyond the purposes for which they were collected. " from https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5438318/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5438318/

by dvdhnt 7y ago

robin_reala 7y ago

In the US maybe. In Europe we have laws against that sort of behaviour, and generally the threat of massive legal fines is an effective counterbalance to the potential gain of data lakes.

drstewart 7y ago
A shame those massive fines don't get applied to IKEA's tax avoidance schemes
- robin_reala 7y ago
  Shrug. You can only fine what’s actually illegal, and tax avoidance currently isn’t. If corporate behaviours are deemed problematic then generally laws are updated to cover that.
dvdhnt 7y ago
Most definitely. My, for a lack of a better word, jaded perspective comes from living in a country where I am constantly bombarded with ads and am forced to fight for any sort of protection from corporations :/
L0stRegulator 7y ago
There are a lot of derogations in GDPR. These could easily cover the current case in point (and the sharing of data with the UK NHS etc) "The GDPR provides several exemptions and derogations for the use of health data, e.g. in the context of research or public health purposes under certain conditions. Typical procedures in this context include the application of ethical standards for scientific research as mentioned in Recital 33 and the implementation of organisational and technical safeguards as mentioned in Article 89 including anonymisation, pseudonymisation and encryption [2]. Pseudonymisation is generally recommended as long as the research purposes can be fulfilled in this manner. With the condition of such safeguards, the GDPR creates exemptions for researchers to process sensitive health data even beyond the purposes for which they were collected. " from https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5438318/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5438318/