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But businesses don't have a right to refuse service to anyone. Especially if the reasons for refusal are not in vogue.

by all2 7y ago

catalogia 7y ago
They do in fact have a right to refuse service to anybody. But that doesn't mean they have a right to refuse service for any reason. Some sorts of reasons are forbidden, for instance discriminating on the basis of race.
- BrandoElFollito 7y ago
  It depends on the country. In France for instance if a business exposes something for sale they have to sell it to any customer. They cannot withdraw the sell, nor refuse to sell.
  - catalogia 7y ago
    So a business in France can't institute a "no shoes, no shirt, no service" policy? I have my doubts.
    - BrandoElFollito 7y ago
      This is indeed the case. Unfortunately the sources are in French (see for instance https://droit-finances.commentcamarche.com/faq/23970-refus-de-vente-ce-que-dit-la-loi https://droit-finances.commentcamarche.com/faq/23970-refus-d...). From that source: > Le refus de vente à un particulier est prohibé par la législation. Cette interdiction est posée par l'article L121-11 du Code de la consommation. Elle s'applique aussi bien aux ventes de produits qu'aux prestations de services. This loosely means that not accepting a sale to a individual is forbidden. The law covers goods and services (article L121-11 of a code for "consumption" (includes sales)). There are "special cases" when a seller can refuse to sell and they were specified by courts. Some examples: - no more items in stock (one cannot force a seller to get more stocks of a given product) - enormous amounts of a given good - customer who poses a danger to the seller (violence, insults) - customer who is known to be unable to pay - customer who would like to buy illegal goods in his context (e.g. alcohol for underage customers) Generally speaking, there must be a very, very good reason to decline a sale. "No shirt, no shoes, no service" is not one of them (to take your example - because walking without shoes or shirt is allowed in France)

But businesses don't have a right to refuse service to anyone. Especially if the reasons for refusal are not in vogue.

by all2 7y ago

But businesses don't have a right to refuse service to anyone. Especially if the reasons for refusal are not in vogue.

They do in fact have a right to refuse service to anybody. But that doesn't mean they have a right to refuse service for any reason. Some sorts of reasons are forbidden, for instance discriminating on the basis of race.

BrandoElFollito 7y ago
It depends on the country. In France for instance if a business exposes something for sale they have to sell it to any customer. They cannot withdraw the sell, nor refuse to sell.
- catalogia 7y ago
  So a business in France can't institute a "no shoes, no shirt, no service" policy? I have my doubts.
  - BrandoElFollito 7y ago
    This is indeed the case. Unfortunately the sources are in French (see for instance https://droit-finances.commentcamarche.com/faq/23970-refus-de-vente-ce-que-dit-la-loi https://droit-finances.commentcamarche.com/faq/23970-refus-d...). From that source: > Le refus de vente à un particulier est prohibé par la législation. Cette interdiction est posée par l'article L121-11 du Code de la consommation. Elle s'applique aussi bien aux ventes de produits qu'aux prestations de services. This loosely means that not accepting a sale to a individual is forbidden. The law covers goods and services (article L121-11 of a code for "consumption" (includes sales)). There are "special cases" when a seller can refuse to sell and they were specified by courts. Some examples: - no more items in stock (one cannot force a seller to get more stocks of a given product) - enormous amounts of a given good - customer who poses a danger to the seller (violence, insults) - customer who is known to be unable to pay - customer who would like to buy illegal goods in his context (e.g. alcohol for underage customers) Generally speaking, there must be a very, very good reason to decline a sale. "No shirt, no shoes, no service" is not one of them (to take your example - because walking without shoes or shirt is allowed in France)