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You surely can’t be oblivious to how this has been a process of boiling the frog slowly — almost certainly they will eventually be permanent-blocked like on iOS

by gfodor 7y ago

You surely can’t be oblivious to how this has been a process of boiling the frog slowly — almost certainly they will eventually be permanent-blocked like on iOS.

coldtea 7y ago
You surely can't be oblivous that, user wise (security, ease of use) this is a process of improvement slowly... MacOS might have bugs due to neglect, bad priorties, too fast deprecations, etc. But all the extra restrictions (notarization, sandboxing, dropping 32-bits, etc) are in the right direction for a consumer platform (i.e. not for devs), for making the computers easier and more secure, like appliances that just do what you bought them for. And they will be part of any/all platforms going forward (including Windows, and new platforms like Fucscia). As for Linux, it exists for 2.5 decades, it has been free since forever, it's still not adopted by the masses. It's not in the direction that most want.
- gfodor 7y ago
  I'm not sure who you're arguing with, but the poster I was replying to noted the status quo is that you can run unnotarized executables. To your point, that should not be taken to mean that we won't eventually see it evaporate. On the contrary, we should assume it will.
  - coldtea 7y ago
    >I'm not sure who you're arguing with I'm arguing against your comment: "You surely can’t be oblivious to how this has been a process of boiling the frog slowly — almost certainly they will eventually be permanent-blocked like on iOS". And I'm saying that this is a good thing in some ways (whereas "boiling the frog slowly" doesn't just point to the graduality of the process, but also implies it's bad). I don't disagree on the graduality or that we will "eventually see it evaporate" (it being various current more open abilities).
    - gfodor 7y ago
      To kill the analogy — developers are unambiguously the frog. You’re arguing about who we should care more about, the frog or those who will be having frog for dinner — this has no bearing on if the frog being boiled is a bad thing but it certainly is from the vantage point of the frog ;)

by gfodor 7y ago

You surely can’t be oblivious to how this has been a process of boiling the frog slowly — almost certainly they will eventually be permanent-blocked like on iOS.

coldtea 7y ago

You surely can't be oblivous that, user wise (security, ease of use) this is a process of improvement slowly... MacOS might have bugs due to neglect, bad priorties, too fast deprecations, etc. But all the extra restrictions (notarization, sandboxing, dropping 32-bits, etc) are in the right direction for a consumer platform (i.e. not for devs), for making the computers easier and more secure, like appliances that just do what you bought them for. And they will be part of any/all platforms going forward (including Windows, and new platforms like Fucscia). As for Linux, it exists for 2.5 decades, it has been free since forever, it's still not adopted by the masses. It's not in the direction that most want.

gfodor 7y ago
I'm not sure who you're arguing with, but the poster I was replying to noted the status quo is that you can run unnotarized executables. To your point, that should not be taken to mean that we won't eventually see it evaporate. On the contrary, we should assume it will.
- coldtea 7y ago
  >I'm not sure who you're arguing with I'm arguing against your comment: "You surely can’t be oblivious to how this has been a process of boiling the frog slowly — almost certainly they will eventually be permanent-blocked like on iOS". And I'm saying that this is a good thing in some ways (whereas "boiling the frog slowly" doesn't just point to the graduality of the process, but also implies it's bad). I don't disagree on the graduality or that we will "eventually see it evaporate" (it being various current more open abilities).
  - gfodor 7y ago
    To kill the analogy — developers are unambiguously the frog. You’re arguing about who we should care more about, the frog or those who will be having frog for dinner — this has no bearing on if the frog being boiled is a bad thing but it certainly is from the vantage point of the frog ;)