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People please be safe. This is a friendly reminder that the fourth amendment is significantly weaker within 100 miles of an international border than it is for

by tim58 7y ago

People please be safe. This is a friendly reminder that the fourth amendment is significantly weaker within 100 miles of an international border than it is for the rest of United States [0]. https://www.aclu.org/other/constitution-100-mile-border-zone https://www.aclu.org/other/constitution-100-mile-border-zone

mindslight 7y ago
The fourth amendment itself isn't weaker, as it is an abstract ideal. Stating things the way you have hides the party responsible for the current policy. A better description is that the Supreme Court issued a justification to perform searches, this one based on being within 100 miles of the border. A similar justification could be written to perform searches in Kansas if they felt the need.
UI_at_80x24 7y ago
Not enough people know this. An additional addendum to this is International airports. Specifically: The International border includes a 25-mile radius around international airports. The majority of US Citizens live within 100 miles of the border. A good chunk that don't live within 25 of an 'international' airport. Further note: "International airport" is based on designation and not traffic. You can have a 1 runway po-dunk airport in the middle of nowhere that received 'international' status as a checkbox formality in the event that ANY plane MIGHT need to use the airport for emergency purposes.
- AnimalMuppet 7y ago
  "International airport" isn't a checkbox formality. It's a specific length (and weight-bearing capacity?) of runway.
  - UI_at_80x24 7y ago
    That is very true. I didn't mean to imply that any dirt-track could receive that designation. It is however a 'checkbox' for those airports that do infact meet those requirements. {thus my "checkbox" statement} Before I ever heard of such designation, I had a very glamorous opinion of what was required to be an 'international airport'. Things like regular flights from all over the world landing and taking off. Huge passenger gateways & terminals, and thousands/millions of people being served every day. The airport in my town has 3 runways. is serviced by 2 carriers. has under 20 (closer to 10) arrivals on average per day. Is only open part-time. (weekends + holidays) It has 'international airport' status. A tremendously HUGE Russian Cargo plane landed here to deliver a factory for a major automaker. My point in the OP was that even 'minor' airports could be affected by that international border.
    - cameronh90 7y ago
      Three runways is still one runway more than Heathrow, which is one of the busiest international airports in the world. Not undermining your point, just thought it was interesting.
      - rtkwe 7y ago
        Londons' airports have been kind of a mess for ages now because they've gotten hemmed in by developments on all sides. Heathrow really really wishes it could have more runways but it'd require bulldozing loads of housing developments and even more noise for the existing houses.
  - briandear 7y ago
    Runway length and weight bearing capacity has nothing to do with it. It’s simply the presence or potential presence of CBP personnel available to clear inbound flight. Source: I am a pilot who flies to Mexico frequently.
- briandear 7y ago
  > The International border includes a 25-mile radius around international airports. Not true. The 100 mile limit is from and “external boundary.” Within 25 miles of an external boundary, CBP has additional powers. That 25 mile radius from an international airport is just made up. Border Patrol doesn’t have any power in Kansas City for instance, despite them having an international airport. CBP’s authority within these border zones only covers immigration law and certain federal crimes. https://www.aclu.org/know-your-rights/border-zone/ https://www.aclu.org/know-your-rights/border-zone/
  - Karunamon 7y ago
    Sadly, those "certain federal crimes" includes drug offenses, which is a wonderful pretext ("I smelled marijuana") for all manner of invasiveness and harassment.

by tim58 7y ago

mindslight 7y ago

The fourth amendment itself isn't weaker, as it is an abstract ideal. Stating things the way you have hides the party responsible for the current policy. A better description is that the Supreme Court issued a justification to perform searches, this one based on being within 100 miles of the border. A similar justification could be written to perform searches in Kansas if they felt the need.

UI_at_80x24 7y ago

Not enough people know this. An additional addendum to this is International airports. Specifically: The International border includes a 25-mile radius around international airports. The majority of US Citizens live within 100 miles of the border. A good chunk that don't live within 25 of an 'international' airport. Further note: "International airport" is based on designation and not traffic. You can have a 1 runway po-dunk airport in the middle of nowhere that received 'international' status as a checkbox formality in the event that ANY plane MIGHT need to use the airport for emergency purposes.

AnimalMuppet 7y ago
"International airport" isn't a checkbox formality. It's a specific length (and weight-bearing capacity?) of runway.
- UI_at_80x24 7y ago
  That is very true. I didn't mean to imply that any dirt-track could receive that designation. It is however a 'checkbox' for those airports that do infact meet those requirements. {thus my "checkbox" statement} Before I ever heard of such designation, I had a very glamorous opinion of what was required to be an 'international airport'. Things like regular flights from all over the world landing and taking off. Huge passenger gateways & terminals, and thousands/millions of people being served every day. The airport in my town has 3 runways. is serviced by 2 carriers. has under 20 (closer to 10) arrivals on average per day. Is only open part-time. (weekends + holidays) It has 'international airport' status. A tremendously HUGE Russian Cargo plane landed here to deliver a factory for a major automaker. My point in the OP was that even 'minor' airports could be affected by that international border.
  - cameronh90 7y ago
    Three runways is still one runway more than Heathrow, which is one of the busiest international airports in the world. Not undermining your point, just thought it was interesting.
    - rtkwe 7y ago
      Londons' airports have been kind of a mess for ages now because they've gotten hemmed in by developments on all sides. Heathrow really really wishes it could have more runways but it'd require bulldozing loads of housing developments and even more noise for the existing houses.
- briandear 7y ago
  Runway length and weight bearing capacity has nothing to do with it. It’s simply the presence or potential presence of CBP personnel available to clear inbound flight. Source: I am a pilot who flies to Mexico frequently.
briandear 7y ago
> The International border includes a 25-mile radius around international airports. Not true. The 100 mile limit is from and “external boundary.” Within 25 miles of an external boundary, CBP has additional powers. That 25 mile radius from an international airport is just made up. Border Patrol doesn’t have any power in Kansas City for instance, despite them having an international airport. CBP’s authority within these border zones only covers immigration law and certain federal crimes. https://www.aclu.org/know-your-rights/border-zone/ https://www.aclu.org/know-your-rights/border-zone/
- Karunamon 7y ago
  Sadly, those "certain federal crimes" includes drug offenses, which is a wonderful pretext ("I smelled marijuana") for all manner of invasiveness and harassment.