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> dirty compromises and band-aid solutions Were the US or UK any different at the start? Founded by conquest and agreements, they involved a lot of give and ta

> dirty compromises and band-aid solutions Were the US or UK any different at the start? Founded by conquest and agreements, they involved a lot of give and take on all sides. Even ~100 years after independence and signing the Constitution the US was in the middle of a civil war with the compromises that followed. The only way to have a union that doesn't require compromises is if everyone is on the exact same page. And that simply can't happen the second you cross a border (most times even inside that border). Once the union is created you start trying to homogenize and give it time.

growlist 7y ago
If the EU and its supporters didn't constantly lie and obfuscate about the fact that the goal is a United States of Europe - with all the destruction of national cultures and ethnicities that that will bring - people might cut them more slack. At least they could be honest about their sinister plan.
- close04 7y ago
  > the destruction of national cultures and ethnicities The very same thing could have been phrased as tearing down barriers between people and reaching understanding. > their sinister plan That also makes your comment sound sinister and very biased.
  - growlist 7y ago
    > tearing down barriers between people and reaching understanding. Perhaps those people deserve a say, rather than having a liberal pro-migration consensus imposed upon them, because it serves the purposes of George Soros, etc.
DiogenesKynikos 7y ago
I'd argue that the Constitution provided a much more rational basis for government than the hodge-podge of treaties and agreements that make up the EU right now. At the very least, the US had a well defined system of government that was relatively easy to understand, and at least the US was clearly a country, as opposed to whatever the EU is. In contrast to what the other poster in this thread is saying, there is no clear end goal for the EU. There are people who want a federal state and people who want a loose set of agreements between sovereign states. I'm not saying that the EU is entirely bad. I'm just saying that it's a mess. It's very useful in some ways (freedom of movement of people and goods), and damaging in other ways (monetary union without fiscal union is a big problem, and austerity policies imposed on Greece et al.).

growlist 7y ago

If the EU and its supporters didn't constantly lie and obfuscate about the fact that the goal is a United States of Europe - with all the destruction of national cultures and ethnicities that that will bring - people might cut them more slack. At least they could be honest about their sinister plan.

close04 7y ago
> the destruction of national cultures and ethnicities The very same thing could have been phrased as tearing down barriers between people and reaching understanding. > their sinister plan That also makes your comment sound sinister and very biased.
- growlist 7y ago
  > tearing down barriers between people and reaching understanding. Perhaps those people deserve a say, rather than having a liberal pro-migration consensus imposed upon them, because it serves the purposes of George Soros, etc.

DiogenesKynikos 7y ago

I'd argue that the Constitution provided a much more rational basis for government than the hodge-podge of treaties and agreements that make up the EU right now. At the very least, the US had a well defined system of government that was relatively easy to understand, and at least the US was clearly a country, as opposed to whatever the EU is. In contrast to what the other poster in this thread is saying, there is no clear end goal for the EU. There are people who want a federal state and people who want a loose set of agreements between sovereign states. I'm not saying that the EU is entirely bad. I'm just saying that it's a mess. It's very useful in some ways (freedom of movement of people and goods), and damaging in other ways (monetary union without fiscal union is a big problem, and austerity policies imposed on Greece et al.).