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My parents survived full blown communism regime and the stories they eventually shared with me instilled healthy fear of omnipresent surveillance. And despite

My parents survived full blown communism regime and the stories they eventually shared with me instilled healthy fear of omnipresent surveillance. And despite this, I am still debating whether wife's request for shark IQ with camera is a good addition to our household ( incidentally, does anyone know if it can be hacked, or at least its feed can be accessed? ). I don't know. Maybe we just never really learn and are doomed to repeat mistakes of the past.

xvx 7y ago
I would assume it can and will be accessed/hacked. There were security concerns about Roomba’s years ago where they draw a detailed map of your home and the scheduling would allow someone to figure out when the home would be empty. Pretty creepy stuff!
tempguy9999 7y ago
I think we forget because those stories aren't written down. To collect those stories as a reminder would be perhaps one of the strongest innoculations against blindly accepting the nice new shiny, short of having to repeat those mistakes every couple of generations to learn them anew.
- A4ET8a8uTh0 7y ago
  One would think there are enough stories already written down. I am not sure I can add any new perspective. I remember, but since I did not really experience it, it remains a memory. It is kinda like now we seem to inevitably move towards new world war. People already forgot the pain. All the writing about WW2 does little to stop the crawl. I can definitely see your point though. Today I just feel, dunno, defeated on privacy front
  - tempguy9999 7y ago
    Perhaps you're right about the stories. People don't want to read real life horror stories. I have actually wondered if VR with realistic reconstructions of war might be of value, to shake them up viscerally, which is really where people think from. Privacy, well I guess it's up to you in that if others are willing to sell themselves you can't stop them but there's a lot to be gained by blocking ads/JS/cookies in your browser and not having a smart phone. Although as ever there's a cost to doing that, one I'm ok with but others aren't. Good luck with whatever you do.
    - A4ET8a8uTh0 7y ago
      I hear you. That cost was a lot easier to evaluate when I only had myself to consider. It seems it really depends on how you sell privacy. For example, my wife did not get why I was playing with setting pihole, but she did notice lack of popups on her kindle and liked that. As for VR, I think I agree that if it could make you feel sensations, maybe could achieve what stories could not (then again, would people pay to smell the air after D-day?). Right now, gaming allows you to feel detached from your decisions.
  - tempguy9999 7y ago
    And as if by magic https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21504678 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21504678 "What It’s Really Like to Fight a War (nytimes.com)"
giancarlostoro 7y ago
You could limit it's network connectivity (firewall anything but the home server). If it can't work offline, then it's kind of useless to me personally. I like tech that can outlive the OEM.
- xvx 7y ago
  One of the more advanced Roomba's I looked at required it to be online to setup and function. Ended up getting the cheap offline model which does the job without the security risks.
  - mc32 7y ago
    I’m curious; that offline model, does it map space as well as their new top of the line models?
    - xvx 7y ago
      Not the one I have. It just kinda bumps all over the place like it has no memory but it does clean the floors so it’s not a total loss!
  - gambiting 7y ago
    Which model was that? I just got the 960 which I think is considered one of the "smart" models(since it maps the room based on cameras rather than randomly bumping into things) and it works perfectly fine without internet connectivity.

xvx 7y ago

I would assume it can and will be accessed/hacked. There were security concerns about Roomba’s years ago where they draw a detailed map of your home and the scheduling would allow someone to figure out when the home would be empty. Pretty creepy stuff!

tempguy9999 7y ago

I think we forget because those stories aren't written down. To collect those stories as a reminder would be perhaps one of the strongest innoculations against blindly accepting the nice new shiny, short of having to repeat those mistakes every couple of generations to learn them anew.

A4ET8a8uTh0 7y ago
One would think there are enough stories already written down. I am not sure I can add any new perspective. I remember, but since I did not really experience it, it remains a memory. It is kinda like now we seem to inevitably move towards new world war. People already forgot the pain. All the writing about WW2 does little to stop the crawl. I can definitely see your point though. Today I just feel, dunno, defeated on privacy front
- tempguy9999 7y ago
  Perhaps you're right about the stories. People don't want to read real life horror stories. I have actually wondered if VR with realistic reconstructions of war might be of value, to shake them up viscerally, which is really where people think from. Privacy, well I guess it's up to you in that if others are willing to sell themselves you can't stop them but there's a lot to be gained by blocking ads/JS/cookies in your browser and not having a smart phone. Although as ever there's a cost to doing that, one I'm ok with but others aren't. Good luck with whatever you do.
  - A4ET8a8uTh0 7y ago
    I hear you. That cost was a lot easier to evaluate when I only had myself to consider. It seems it really depends on how you sell privacy. For example, my wife did not get why I was playing with setting pihole, but she did notice lack of popups on her kindle and liked that. As for VR, I think I agree that if it could make you feel sensations, maybe could achieve what stories could not (then again, would people pay to smell the air after D-day?). Right now, gaming allows you to feel detached from your decisions.
- tempguy9999 7y ago
  And as if by magic https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21504678 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21504678 "What It’s Really Like to Fight a War (nytimes.com)"

giancarlostoro 7y ago

You could limit it's network connectivity (firewall anything but the home server). If it can't work offline, then it's kind of useless to me personally. I like tech that can outlive the OEM.

xvx 7y ago
One of the more advanced Roomba's I looked at required it to be online to setup and function. Ended up getting the cheap offline model which does the job without the security risks.
- mc32 7y ago
  I’m curious; that offline model, does it map space as well as their new top of the line models?
  - xvx 7y ago
    Not the one I have. It just kinda bumps all over the place like it has no memory but it does clean the floors so it’s not a total loss!
- gambiting 7y ago
  Which model was that? I just got the 960 which I think is considered one of the "smart" models(since it maps the room based on cameras rather than randomly bumping into things) and it works perfectly fine without internet connectivity.