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I did it like this Install FF Set it as default Change path on desktop shortcut for "Internet" to FF And ofc do not forget to say that is new IE version

by 9dl 7y ago

Cub3 7y ago
Change the icon of the FF shortcut to look like the IE icon ;)
moomin 7y ago
If you’re on Windows, you need to set up edge-deflector too, which is a fairly advanced piece of idiocy.
- exergy 7y ago
  There is a way to get rid of Edge by renaming its install folder or something like that. I did it, and I love it.
ifdefdebug 7y ago
> And ofc do not forget to say that is new IE version That's just plain dumb. Explain to your users what you are doing. You seem to think they are stupid, well they are not.
- 9dl 7y ago
  Good sir, I did not have 10h+ for lecture per client And by the way, smart ones already had FF and Opera installed
- frabert 7y ago
  Oh no, he doesn't think they are stupid, just that they don't know the difference between browsers. If my mechanic mounted a new transmission or something that wasn't the same brand as the one mounted before, and told me "it's the new version", I couldn't care less as long as it worked as intended. I don't know anything about transmissions, so from my point of view I have no way of knowing if what he's telling me is the truth or not, I just trust him to make my car work again.
  - mikorym 7y ago
    This reminds me that such people also think that the visual experience of browsing the internet is somehow "fixed". My impression of social media is that one of its draws (pitfalls actually) is that it gives the impression of different people experiencing the same thing, e.g.: a 100 people like this or 500 people retweeted that. However, as programmers, we should see the internet not as a browser at all. We should see it as a list of protocols and implementations thereof. I think a big part of the oh-so-common emotional social media battles is anticipation of the other person's experience. Hopefully for you, as a programmer reading this, your view of the internet is protected by automated command line scripts that fight your internet battles for you...
    - javajosh 7y ago
      >social media ...gives the impression of different people experiencing the same thing Brilliant!
  - ifdefdebug 7y ago
    If my mechanic mounted a new transmission from another brand without telling me beforehand that he intended to do so, and I found out later, then I would immediately lose all trust in such a mechanic.
    - frabert 7y ago
      Why did he mount a different brand? Was it because he thinks it's better? Maybe it's cheaper, but otherwise equivalent? I have no way of knowing, and I trust his judgement entirely. On the other hand, if I went to my mechanic and said "Look Bob, I want an ACME Turboencabulator v2 mounted" I believe he would be happy to do so. The point is, most users don't even know what a browser is and just want to get back to facebook ASAP, and don't care if you tell them you installed an ACME Turboencabulator or a Stark Industries Turboelectroencabulator. Of course, we all know the original Turboencabulator is GE and all the others are knockoffs, but I've tried other brands and they work just as well, if not even better.
    - vetinari 7y ago
- austhrow743 7y ago
  A ton of people are stupid. You don't know his users.
- NeedMoreTea 7y ago
  No they are not, they just frequently devoted their intelligence to being a lawyer, doctor or whatever rather than caring about tech. Any more than they cared about the finer points of their microwave or VHS recorder. The first Google scam - yes scam - was Adsense and adwords. The search "sponsored" box was a yellow designed to be near indistinguishable from white, and was invisible on many LCD monitors. Adsense and adword links were the same blue IE used for links - because people had been conditioned to believe blue links simply traversed the web. With hindsight, that's the moment everyone should have lost all trust in Google.
LoSboccacc 7y ago
yeah back then there was a theme for firefox 3 that mimiked explorer icon and ux, all my relatives had that, very few questioned the different download menu.
thrownaway954 7y ago
thanks satan In all seriousness, "And ofc do not forget to say that is new IE version", that is the key, let them think they are still using their old software.
lordlimecat 7y ago
I always found that it was best not to lie to users for their own good, at least if you want them to continue considering you a trusted source of computing information. You don't have to explain what firefox is, or what IE is, just that "this isn't IE but it does the same thing and will keep you safe". Maybe they'll have follow up questions, and you can answer those, but lying is just a good way for them to go back to IE and not tell you because they don't to be treated condescendingly.

I did it like this Install FF Set it as default Change path on desktop shortcut for "Internet" to FF And ofc do not forget to say that is new IE version

by 9dl 7y ago

I did it like this Install FF Set it as default Change path on desktop shortcut for "Internet" to FF And ofc do not forget to say that is new IE version

Cub3 7y ago

Change the icon of the FF shortcut to look like the IE icon ;)

moomin 7y ago

If you’re on Windows, you need to set up edge-deflector too, which is a fairly advanced piece of idiocy.

exergy 7y ago
There is a way to get rid of Edge by renaming its install folder or something like that. I did it, and I love it.

ifdefdebug 7y ago

> And ofc do not forget to say that is new IE version That's just plain dumb. Explain to your users what you are doing. You seem to think they are stupid, well they are not.

9dl 7y ago
Good sir, I did not have 10h+ for lecture per client And by the way, smart ones already had FF and Opera installed
frabert 7y ago
Oh no, he doesn't think they are stupid, just that they don't know the difference between browsers. If my mechanic mounted a new transmission or something that wasn't the same brand as the one mounted before, and told me "it's the new version", I couldn't care less as long as it worked as intended. I don't know anything about transmissions, so from my point of view I have no way of knowing if what he's telling me is the truth or not, I just trust him to make my car work again.
- mikorym 7y ago
  This reminds me that such people also think that the visual experience of browsing the internet is somehow "fixed". My impression of social media is that one of its draws (pitfalls actually) is that it gives the impression of different people experiencing the same thing, e.g.: a 100 people like this or 500 people retweeted that. However, as programmers, we should see the internet not as a browser at all. We should see it as a list of protocols and implementations thereof. I think a big part of the oh-so-common emotional social media battles is anticipation of the other person's experience. Hopefully for you, as a programmer reading this, your view of the internet is protected by automated command line scripts that fight your internet battles for you...
  - javajosh 7y ago
    >social media ...gives the impression of different people experiencing the same thing Brilliant!
- ifdefdebug 7y ago
  If my mechanic mounted a new transmission from another brand without telling me beforehand that he intended to do so, and I found out later, then I would immediately lose all trust in such a mechanic.
  - frabert 7y ago
    Why did he mount a different brand? Was it because he thinks it's better? Maybe it's cheaper, but otherwise equivalent? I have no way of knowing, and I trust his judgement entirely. On the other hand, if I went to my mechanic and said "Look Bob, I want an ACME Turboencabulator v2 mounted" I believe he would be happy to do so. The point is, most users don't even know what a browser is and just want to get back to facebook ASAP, and don't care if you tell them you installed an ACME Turboencabulator or a Stark Industries Turboelectroencabulator. Of course, we all know the original Turboencabulator is GE and all the others are knockoffs, but I've tried other brands and they work just as well, if not even better.
  - vetinari 7y ago
austhrow743 7y ago
A ton of people are stupid. You don't know his users.
NeedMoreTea 7y ago
No they are not, they just frequently devoted their intelligence to being a lawyer, doctor or whatever rather than caring about tech. Any more than they cared about the finer points of their microwave or VHS recorder. The first Google scam - yes scam - was Adsense and adwords. The search "sponsored" box was a yellow designed to be near indistinguishable from white, and was invisible on many LCD monitors. Adsense and adword links were the same blue IE used for links - because people had been conditioned to believe blue links simply traversed the web. With hindsight, that's the moment everyone should have lost all trust in Google.

LoSboccacc 7y ago

yeah back then there was a theme for firefox 3 that mimiked explorer icon and ux, all my relatives had that, very few questioned the different download menu.

thrownaway954 7y ago

thanks satan In all seriousness, "And ofc do not forget to say that is new IE version", that is the key, let them think they are still using their old software.

lordlimecat 7y ago

I always found that it was best not to lie to users for their own good, at least if you want them to continue considering you a trusted source of computing information. You don't have to explain what firefox is, or what IE is, just that "this isn't IE but it does the same thing and will keep you safe". Maybe they'll have follow up questions, and you can answer those, but lying is just a good way for them to go back to IE and not tell you because they don't to be treated condescendingly.